i thot kender were only imm_dragonfear in d'n'd
(i know what they are in the books, imm_fear, wanderlust, kleptomaniac, etc)

[color=blue]Kender were immune to fear in general iirc, due to their cheerful nature.

They also would steal as a response, even when they weren't thinking about it (walk past someone, they reach into the person's pocket and grqb something). Master thieves would watch kender in busy areas to learn how to steal more effectively. Ofcourse the random steal/swap idea would be horribly broken in Arctic.[/color]

Scouts are not particularly well intertwined with the rest of the engine, this also concerns hunt and pass w/o trace, some damage instincts and stoneskin/nomagic, that list can go on and on...

The only fear effect that I've seen kender in the books not immune to is that of the Shoikan Grove. Ideally, that would mean all kender are immune to the scout roar, but that's a bit of a huge change if you're considering mobs as well as players, since it requires that all kender mobs are set as race_kender. I don't know if the building system works that way on Arctic.

$0.02

the game cheats
for instance
certain player races have infra, some dont
mob races that shouldnt have infra do
and they dont wear infra items
so unless some mage somehow casts infra on them all the time ...
so if roar were modified to not affect kender mobs, it might still affect kender players
and vice versa
does anyone remember how tas reacted to dragons? i vaguely recall others in their party being affected by it, but not whether or not tas was

Lord Soth's fear was pretty impressive. Even Tas was grumbling about it.

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Tas is one of the very few that are affected by fear if I understand correctly.. the reason behind this is because he understands the loss of his friends and therefore he looses the kenderfearlessness that he had before. I think it was when Sturm died that he started to gain this trait, but if you remember from the books if you've read them, and hopefully i've enough of a memory to remember... most of the kender heroes lost there wanderlust, or at most set it aside for a while. This is why all kenders when they age tend to settle down and not keep on roaming about. Anyways since i'm posting the thing about kenders would be abused by players to the point that scouts would be a little more ineffective against kender players. Most of the races give infravision but that can be obtained by other means.... and goblins have increased healing unless they've changed it, been a while since i've played goblin.. but that similiar to saying since highelves are attuned to magic, shouldn't they be more resilient to the effects of mages or more easily affected since they are more attuned?

It's all just a balancing issue that probably hasn't been addressed to Aristox, and if it has he made the decision because of the abuse that would come with it. And its not cause they are lazy about coding, they took there time making the class, lets figure out all the issues that could improve it, if it can be improved.. or at least make it more balanced.

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What!? This post has nothing to do with mobs at all. And really it has very little to do with kenders either, the point I was trying to make was that ROAR bestows FEAR as an affect to characters that are afflicted by it, and if kenders were immune_fear then roar is broken and needs to be fixed. Because if i can go and buy immune_fear rank for pk to cripple my oppenents then i'll damn well do it.

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I know the location just thought i'd add a random comment at the end...

i think the point of making roar pass through imm fear (if indeed it does) is because it would be completely worthless in pvp if it didn't.

so roar passes thru cloak of bravery ... why?
if yer cloaked, u should be imm_roar
it doesnt eliminate the usefullness of roar in PvP
it increases the usefullness of cloak (or some other form of imm_fear) in PvP

And tell me, how many kenders do you see in 10v10 combat :P