i blame brama!

I blame Canada for Arctic's problems.

and yes i remember thos neutrals people in dko, turned out 2 of em was wild :)

that is an excellent idea michi if we could make it work.

We do. Well, I do. In fact, if anyone wants to zone with BSP, I'd gladly show them around. Remember when you died with me in DKOs when we both went to help out some neutrals?

'See where that landed us' - You could say but its not stopped me from inviting whoever wants to tag along. Look, if you're really interested, we could set up a system where you and I verified who was evil and who wasn't. I trust you enough to say that if I asked you 'we saw xxx with so and so' You'd tell me its a neutral and I'd believe you. If some guy called Zoltan helps you pop the double edged sword of doom, good for you, I don't have a problem with neutrals zoning with Outlaws, as long as they don't PVP with you.

If you're really interested, we can make this work. As long as theres no abuse of trust, we can make it happen.

Michiko

I've come to address these issues as a player. Feel free to add any criticism thats warranted. Any constructive opinions are welcome.

Its right now 9pm eurotime and we have about 24 nicks in IRC. Excluding L, retired players and the host of part-timers who enjoy idling on irc, I could safely say we have about 15ish people max during our main zoning window on peak hours. (a zoning window that only exists for about 2-3 hours) I don't see how we can stop you from playing the game the way you want to play it. How many of the oldtimers would wake up at 3 am in the morning for PVP that might happen, only to go to work 3.5 hours later? Would I log on at 3pm in the afternoon to fight RGB? I'm at work, its not possible.

Now unless the europeans are willing to logon at 3am in the morning or the US players make some drastic amendments to their schedules, I don't see how we can encourge either side to engage in more frequent PVP. I use side here liberally; an arena of competition exists when players grouped by geographical areas / timezone mutually depend on each other for their own benefit, also competing together against other groups of players for gear/spells/playtime.

This is why, _in the past_, the theory that RGB and Outlaws are two entirely seperate clans is flawed. Both clans would contribute and pull their resources together to complete a zone and also compete together against a common enemy, namely BSP. We see both clans as effectively one clan. You could rationalize it by saying, 'its because BSP is so big, therefore we have to use two or three clans vs BSP' I've heard that arguement before and although I agree its possibly the only tactic to fight off a larger competitor, I do not see why BSP is to blame. It is simply the way we choose to exist. Personally, I admire clans that choose to stay small. I do not scrutinize them for not having the ability or manpower to churn out endless amounts of gear. It is simply the way they wish to exist.

I also find the rationale behind all the incessant garble over what BSP should be called truely humorous. I would think people have better things to do but I believe the moot point here is - Does it mean because the founders of an organization leave, the entitlement to its name is immediately lost? I personally think calling a flourishing clan Mavlad's horde is boosting his already inflated ego but call it whatever incarnation you wish, the fact is the functional aspects of the clan remain the same.

Lastly, Feroz. From the BSP perspective, a player that has good playtime and a thirst for doing whatever the clan requires is fantastic. Before the inception of his participation as a full fledged member of BSP, I never liked him. Fortunately, forced to be his clannie, he's inconceivably taught me the lesson of taking too many aspects of this game too seriously. I allowed the online reputation of player cloud my judgement for him as a person. You could possibly argue that that is all I have to make an educated guess on his real character but what I'm trying to say is [b]don't let this game take away whats important, the people playing it[/b] I nearly left BSP after Mavlad refused to let Mike zone during his last two hours before he left on his mission (good luck Mike! God bless) At least Mavlad understands why I did what I did. If a person so focused on the game, vehemently protesting to Mike zoning with us even branding him a traitor, can do so, why can't we all? Stop insulting and start competing.

Michiko

Worst made ever?? WTF are you smoking. You OBVIOUSLY have no clue when it comes to MMO's.

WoW has like 8x the population of any other mmo out there. It blows EQ1 out of the water, EQ2 is the 2nd best MMO with a cool 500,000 subscribers (1/8 of WoW). Games like Matrix Online, Earth and Beyond, Shadowbane, DAoC exist, with like 2-3 servers each and less than 100,000 players, and you say WoW is the worst? Have you ever even played a MMO before? or are you just running your mouth to sound cool. Cause 4 million people (1.5million in america, 1.5million in china and 1 million wherever else, probably not russia [russians cant handle not having a 50 to 1 advantage]) disagree with you. that is 4million x 15.00 a month that people are willing to spend on a game that YOU think is the worst MMO ever.

I know this isn't the thread for this, but its just funny how you can think a game like WoW "shouldn't" take players away from Arctic. It has hardcore PVP (not as hardcore as Arctic, but no cheating, so it kinda balances itself out), softcore PVP (battlegrounds = softcore pvp, since its more like going to the paintball arena than going on a killing spree), carebear servers (where you probably played like the pussy you are), and a million quests/zones to explore.

What basis are you saying WoW is the worst MMO ever made and in relation to arctic, why wouldn't people want to leave a 10 year old game that is ruled by asshole russians AND in all text, and arguably completely unfair, for a PvP based, elite graphics, solid lagless design MMO that offers years and years of fun?

Just trying to see through your blinded eyes, thats all. Can you enlighten me as to why you think WoW is the "worst" mmo ever? or are you just going to spout off more "i read a website that hated wow, so it has to be true" nonsense?

sorry for the spam, i just hate jerks who rip on mmo's cause they cant afford the 15.00 a month to play them and when they finally stop eating for 3 weeks and save up the 15.00 they suck so much ass when playing the MMO's that the 10 year olds who play are laughing at them for being a complete loser noob. fucking jerk.

-Gyp-

You sure assume a lot mavlad, but if you really wanna know, yes, a lot of ppl didn't like you. *shrug*
And for that guy that suggested an "iron fist leader", I personally think you're an idiot. Outlaws dont work that way, we all know each other irl and are good friends (hmm, well except Yair I guess, we just keep him around for fun ;). I dont consider myself as a "leader", but more as a spokesperson for my friends.

Either mavlad took some english lessons, or someone else writes for him!

Hey, was there anyone else but Tajs from those 'alot of people didnt like mavlad' ? Because i can't recall having problems with someone else :) Rest of those 'alot' simply followed probably. Hell, mostly ppl i had problems with were left in the clan!
Look at numbers of current BSP, you can't say there is too few ppl who like mavlad! Now look at numbers of Outlaws - everyone hates you guys.

we splitted from bsp for several reasons one being the clan was too big other reason was alot of people didnt like mavlad, we started the war with bsp for several reasons also some decays that was popped, for fun, and it would have happended sooner or later anyway. About the 'cheatin' is was a bug that was being abused and isnt not like its normal to get a whole country sitebanned. And we dont agro neutrals, i guess there is a few slips once in a while but normally not, The thing with hamtaro was he zoned with u guys and we killed him he said he wouldnt do it again and he was peaced but he did it again and we jumped him, Jenn recalled him and we killed jenn
Jenn formed some people and jumped us but they died, and if they gonna help u its fine. Btw u guys should stop grouping with neutrals to rank or whatever caus we cant tell the difference to whos evil and whos not, And dont tell me it hasnt happend caus we spied alot of it.

Nis: "I heard u had like 45 people in irc at some point, that should be plenty to split em in 2."

I see 15 atm, and half of those are just chat guys who don't play this wipe. Never seen more than 20 this wipe, counting the chat guys too. It's kinda ironic you didn't think the same way when outlaws+bsp ruled wilds in playing time and numbers. I'm pretty sure RGB+Wild+Outlaw have the same numbers combined as BSP or maybe more, maybe you need to merge in a single IRC channel if you haven't already and coordinate things with 1 iron fist leader, and couple other leaders for the different branches.

mavlad: "6? i see everyday 10man+ of rgbwildlaws.
hey that was your fault logging 19 early this wipe, you made us to increase numbers and have no rights to make us cut it after your ppl decided to quit !"

That's right we did chop down clan to 20 clan members zoning with 10 at most and we kept seeing 20 enemies in our zonetime. Again, is it our problem your people/allies decide to quit/get sitebanned?

flizzaw: "You should know that we (Outlaws) can not atm log on a 10-man group due to certain events that we all know about. So the solution to the problem is to include others to fill the group up or vice versa and fill their group up. Basic methods of getting more zoningtime.

We are not 1 clan for the n:th time Mav, so stop referring to us as such."

You zone and pk with RGB since last wipe, thats almost 1 year zoning and pkilling with them... time to "merge" if you claim you haven't already.

HELLO THERE!

It is your OWN GODDAMN PROBLEM IF:

a) Quit BSP with all the eq last wipe.
b) Started war with BSP last wipe due to some decay we repopped.
c) Cheat and get half your clan sitebanned.
d) Aggro neutrals all the time and don't expect them to help BSP afterwards.

You zone and pk with about 2 other clans. If you can't handle fighting one clan, ask for peace.

What we are talking about here are the Outlaws Clan personel, not any other clan(s). And the idea you have in your head of 3 clans beeing 1 is dead wrong. We sometimes zone and pk with other clans, but that don't make us 1 clan.
(This is strictly done because we have to to get 10 online atm!)

You should know that we (Outlaws) can not atm log on a 10-man group due to certain events that we all know about. So the solution to the problem is to include others to fill the group up or vice versa and fill their group up. Basic methods of getting more zoningtime.

We are not 1 clan for the n:th time Mav, so stop referring to us as such.

I want to play! I WANT TO ... I wish BSP were only the reason I couldn't ... Waah....

6? i see everyday 10man+ of rgbwildlaws.
hey that was your fault logging 19 early this wipe, you made us to increase numbers and have no rights to make us cut it after your ppl decided to quit !

[color=blue]And who are you, some BSP I offended?[/color]

Maybe the biggest thing is how clan pk has evolved. People no longer feel like they will get to fight as often as they want and enjoy pk as much. This was probably inevitable unless a coded pk system was placed in the game, because players get better and better at pk over time from experience.

Pk nowadays requires a mind-boggling amount of energy; major phases include planning, prepping, and coordinating. It

This might be way off, but it seems like the clan "system" has gone downhill since the splitting-apart of the different euro factions and the US factions.

"Back in the day", at least how I remember it, there was always the primarily US-based clan that played during US primetime (afternoon to late-night). They were matched by the Euros who played primarily during the Euro primetime (except Mavlad, who played all times without sleep, somehow). The fights would usually happen when enough people from both sides would be around in an overlap (usually early afternoon US or later-night US).

Now, after endless sideswapping and intermixing of US and Euros the playtimes are all screwed up, and this doesn't meld well with (I think) most of the Arcticplayers getting older and having more time restrictions outside of primetime. I remember when being a Wild member/ally meant that you could safely zone during Wild playtime, which was during US playtime. Now, after the mixing and formation of Outlaws and the mass exodus of US players to "BSP", the "Wild" playtime is something like 10pm at night until 6am in the morning US, and "BSP" playtime has become the US primetime and probably much longer.

I know there are quite a few old good/decent "Wild" players or allies that wouldn't mind playing again, but want nothing at all to do with "BSP" in any incarnation (other than killing them), and have no way to play during the current "Wild" playtime. Waiting in IRC until 11pm and being able to do maybe *one* zone is a complete waste of time. To say nothing about how much time is wasted massrenting, masslogging, and worrying about winning at all costs. Vomit.

("Wild" being anyone openly allied with the clan that opposes "BSP". "BSP" being whatever current incarnation of that enormous clan that no one can really win against in the long-run that always seems to have Mavlad and Martino in it at some point in the wipe.)

Malthros: I'm not convinced that people who fret about a text-based game played by no more than 350-400 people have a right to call anyone idiots.

Matt

If it caters to the idiot population maybe you should try it out... sounds like your type of game.

[color=blue]BSP broke up a wipe or two ago, you must mean Mavlad Horde?

Think of it this way, all those inept people in MH that are log-learning the game, someday they'll be the zone leader.. on.. arcti...oh my god, just shut the MUD down now before it's too late.

Let them have their fun, we all know there are/have been/will be alot of MH who who need to use MH to get some sort of footing, and suck hard when they go elsewhere.

Maybe if the game was actually fun to play, this wouldn't be a problem, but since it's becoming so damn boring, most experienced players are leaving. FFS, people are going to games like WoW, which is one of the worst made MMOs ever, but it caters to the idiot population, which as numbers show, is alot of people.[/color]

I was thinking the other day everyone should just drop their creative differences and form a new clan called Not-BSP.

In any event, staff already alluded that BSP should split up, I believe their answer was 'why should we? You can't make us, na na na na.'

I agree with Nis. I've always felt the same and not just about BSD. It's ironic though that when your on the receiving end you aren't happy about it but when your the one dishing out the beatings it's okay.

However, I don't think BSD will be splitting up.

Now you've done it Nis, prepare to get flamed!

Is this sentiment echoed by your entire clan? In the past, BSP had some of the more colorful highlighting policies essentially practicing 'the friend of my enemy is my enemy' philosophy, defining friend specifically as one who zones with the enemy. Needless to say, this complicated matters for smaller groups of people that wanted nothing to do with BSP vs. the other clans.

Is it possible we're moving back to the highlighting days of the past? You know, where people were highlighted after they actually did something wrong...

1. Tajs couldn't tell me when (name of day) I grouped BSP within a five day period (which I told him) since I got back on mud.
2. I got it all settled with Tajs.
3. The only times I've been with BSP after Tajs killed me was at the Kalaman inn when I travelled from Solace to buy some items. First, from Charlie. He also asked me to do an equipment transfer, which I did, and gave me some freebies. They didn't even have a group of any sort going at that time, Charlie's like the only BSP online and he's innsitting. Second, from Invictus who was in zone and told me to get to Kalaman reception to wait. Their 10 man BSP recalled into inn and Invictus checked his other character and realized that it was not the item that I wanted. I was not, at anytime, grouped with them (how could I, they're at 10).

So yeah, great spy network you have.

Personally, I think BSP is fine. In the past I have disliked them and figured they were basically trash... but they have left me alone for damn near a year. So I have no problem with them being as big as they are. I believe that if any clan really wanted to be left alone, then BSP would leave them alone. But you can't wage war's and expect BSP to not target you sooner or later, its just not going to happen.

And lets face it, even if one of the current clans decided to go the zoning only route, they would end up in a war sooner or later simply because atleast a few of its members would crave pk and would end up getting into an argument with BSP or someone else.

And now that my 3 month break is done, I plan on doing a lot of zoning again. So lets hope BSP and the other clans keep leaving me alone =P

Lies, lies and more lies, you guys lied about Hamtaro, and now you are lying about Jenn. I'll make it quite simple. I'll use 'your' log that you have on RBG log page. If you look carefully you will see that you guys are going to target Jenn before he even decides to "word' Hamtaro. { **Helena: jenn too } Next. I have several logs sent to me by friends and newbies of you randoming in/around Solace and various other places. You may be able to conjure up some random excuse for some of them but not the newbies. For example 'Legna' what excuse do you have for killing that char? Total random. While im at it i'd also like to bitch about the log "fighting to some neutrals" posted by azazur on that site. Complete bullshit, you guys lie out your ass, Azazur and Defrasne looted the tab from the group then recalled and then later attacked the group and then and only then did that group attack back. Everybody knows your scummy, so much so that i actually feel a teeny tiny bit bad for being European myself, you make us look bad.
Yair has always been cool in my books.

[color=blue]Calm down Gyp. WoW has one of the worst 'end games'. You can run the same handful of instances over and over, or spam the living hell out of battlegrounds to maybe go up in rank.

The you have the absurdly terrible customer support. The warden program when is completely nullified by rootkits, and 'RP servers' that have about the same level of RP as Arctic. This may come as a shock to you, but WoW caters to the existing Blizzard fanbase, and it's not orginal, and their sure as hell isn't anything special about the game.

Oh wow, you just did a 40v40 or 10v10 battlegrounds, now go take part in a several hundred person battle in DAoC, or even a Guild vs Guild fight in GuildWars, where you'll find far more teamwork and strategy.

And for the record, SOE is killing games faster than you can possibly imagine. Planetside, EQ2, SWG...etc, are all dying, and people are going to WoW because it's -easy-, just like every other Blizzard game ever created.

Maybe if WoW someday implements the once idea, now scrapped thought of conquoring anything other than a 'the main' city for each side per server (IE giving you the feel of being in a WC game), it'll simply be nothing more than another flavor of the EQ shit.

And their numbers reflect their orginal goal, make an MMO that appeals to the WC fans and can be picked up by Diablo players. A smart move on their part but numbers don't make a game good or bad.[/color]

if u read the log nobody is touching jenn untill he words hamtaro
so believe what u want but we werent going after jenn. legna was apparently a wrong highlight and was removed after. And dont u live in america?

the word is [u]strategery[/u]
i'm surprised grammar-nazi didnt catch that one

Come on Tajs, I respect you want to keep outlaws clan as some utopic communist country, but even the USSR had a leader. In this game leaders are necessary to coordinate stuff, if you deny it you are denying the truth. Even for the most basic aspect of the game (zoning) you need a leader. Again, if you refuse to coordinate with your allies better (which you already seem to be doing seeing you zone, pk and masslog at the same time) it's your problem.

About michiko's idea of letting neutrals zone with warring clans without punishment...

What would the difference be in the current state of things? Right now neutrals that choose to zone with outlaw clan or bsp clan don't care to get pkilled after, and certainly have the some ammount of the trust of the clan to let them zone with them. If they care to be pkilled bc they are newbish and didnt realize what they was doing, and ask for peace, why kill them after you peace them or random half the mud? (Hamtaro) You keep making new enemies yet you are upset that no neutrals can help you zone.

The only 'advantage?' I see in this system is Outlaws being able to get more zones done in less time in their zonetime; is it only me or does somebody else think it's hypocrat to discuss about this solutions now and not last wipe when BSP were the underdogs? You had plenty of people and still do even without Ahma, I keep seeing 10man zoning in your zonetime everyday. If you can't handle fighting BSP right now for reason X, you refuse to coordinate better with your allies for reason Y, and you get half your clan sitebanned for reason Z, why don't you get peaced and pick on clans you can beat? I think you are smart enough to counter-balance BSP with your numbers and current strength, under certain circumstances. If you claim to be the true BSP you say you was, keep zoning, keep fighting, just like how we did last wipe when the tables were turned, instead of complaining in the forums about an unbeatable enemy which isn't true.

the most basic aspects of the game do not require a leader
these are character creation, rolling, and soloing
not grouping or zoning

Ok, they are too big. But how exactly big is too big? Can they be as big as a watermelon? or even bigger? You know there's a whole large scale of being too big. At one point of the scale they can be too big to squeeze into a drawer and at another they will be too big to fit in a K size bra. I just dunno. I think these questions require immediate clarification.

is BSP bigger than a breadbox?

how big is a damn breadbox anyway? is that like a lunch box?

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In response to blehbleh's post...
I dont make small notes on when/why I highlight a certain char, given the sheer amount I have. But as I repeatedly said to you, you had been seen in a mh group within the last week... I even pasted the group to you.

laff Kaziem. What's communistic about how I see it? actually I think it's very democratic... but whatever :)

The reason why grouping neutrals/highlighting was and isn't a problem with Outlaws, is that *very* rarely we do do it and if we do it, we make sure that person knows the consequence: getting hunted most likely. On the contrary I see ppl like Feroz and Zexx group neutrals right and left with no regards for their possible situation if we see them.

And why are you think we'd quit? we are zoning and killing ....the difference from last wipe is that we ain't gonna boost our numbers for taking in more or less random ppl, just because we're struggling some. And to whoever said that you have 2-3 hours of zoning with full groups, you obviously dont play then. I've seen several days with 10-15 confirmed highlights on from 23:00-08:00 my time.

That's true, and I also believed that we've settled that and I don't care about that anymore. But that's also only a third of my post you're responding to. I'm not expecting a reply since you weren't there when your members attacked me after you've killed me.

Hey Nis, look, Tajs said that I had been seen in [b][u]A[/u][/b](one, not two or three or four) BSP/MH group within the last week. And I've only been back on the mud for a week.

About WoW...

From what I have heard from a friend, and everyone ELSE for that matter, the game itself is very easy and is designed to appeal to the casual gamer. They created a game where anyone can jump in and have fun without the need to spend a huge amount of time just to be competitive. It might not be the best game out there, but its not going anywhere and it will probably only improve with time.

About the other Blizzard games...

*Slaps Malthros*

Anyone who has played SC/BW for more than a few months will tell you that its not an easy game to master. In fact, its still an extremely popular game, even though its damn near 8 years old. Its far from an easy game and I resent the fact that you said it was!

*Kicks Malthros in the shin*

I dunno... After spending 15 minutes clearing out my JMC character highlights from the last 2 wipes yesterday, I noticed that it took about 1 minute to delete all the darkfurshai highlights, about 30sec to delete all the garbage highlights, another 30sec to delete all the randomer highlights, about 3 minutes to delete all the Wildlaw highlights, and about 10 minutes to delete all the BSP highlights.

Hrm...

Lesson on using Groups to organize highlights well taken. Thanks BSP!

Obviously the solution is for a predominantly North American (NA for short) clan to take shape in real #'s to oppose these predominantly foreign clans. Michi hit the nail on the head, but unfortunately it's not probable to happen.

The reasons for this are many, but I do think if a primarily NA Clan was formed with some of the better NA players in current clans that it would have the potential to compete on a top level with the BSP/Outlaw/RGB.

The main problem is with the leadership. I think the top NA players get tired when they started to dominate Arctic and just move on. It seems to be the history of Arctic that Euro players hang around for a long long time as the American p-base just plays in spurts. (I personally play alot for a few months, then take a month off as an example).

At any rate, perhaps if there interest in making a clan in this mold it would spice things up for everybody. I'm sure BSP wouldn't mind another challenger, and I'm sure that RGB and Outlaw would welcome at least a temporary ally.

Its not about believing what i want, it what i see in your logs, i see Helena telling the group to target Jenn before you even enter the room with us in it. As far as Legna goes, well i guess you guys have alot of wrong highlights cause i have 11 logs of randoming by u guys from the 2 weeks before this one. Anyway, yeah i live in America but only for the last 8 years, the other 16 i was born and bred in the northeast of England.

so lets c those logs and whos in em, its easy to say u got em without showing em

At the time being I've seen 8+ enemy groups since about 5 hours ago. Right now it's 11 enemies (that we know of) and it's about 10 hours till we start zoning. That's about 33% of the current mud population at this time. I don't really know if you're trying to lie the mud or just yourselves about the numbers, and the "horde" propaganda. It's not a problem about numbers, you obviously got them. Imagine if finns wasnt sitebanned, instead 11 on atm i would see 16+?

One of 4 things is going on here. Either a) Pablo need to lay off the crackpipe b) Pablo need to check his highlights c) Pablo doestn't have the faintest idea what the hell he is talking about or d) All previous reasons.

You're starting to bug me out somehow with your rambling wich has no real backbone to it and most of the time is inaccurate to the point it's hillarious.
Get it into you thick skull that we (Outlaws) can not log on 10 people! It's just not possible. Then if you see so and so many highlights on it's not my problem, i know for sure that the 10+ highlights you see aint us.

For example: Yesterday (Thursday) we managed to log on the most ppl we've had in weeks, and we still only managed 9 ppl. So how you can see 8+ "Outlaws" online everyday, all the time, week in and week out is beyond me, so either you realize what's going on or please stop posting cause it only makes you look more of an idiot then you already make yourself out to be.

i'm pretty sure those 10 ppl of 4 outlaws +6 rgbs for hours online wasn't doing separate zoning. Hell, should we care if half of the group we fighting are outlaws and other half are goblins ? what would be the difference here? :)

The difference is that Pablo claims we are lying about our numbers all the time, wich we are not. Getting even 8 outlaws online is superrare these days and since he claims otherwise, there is a huge difference.

I might also add that there are those in Outlaws who refuse to zone with RGB for various reasons, so just because we are online at the same time don't make it natural we are in the same group.

firewizz: I think you should stop the personal attacks and focus on telling me how I'm wrong if it troubles your mind so much. Stop lying about numbers and denying the facts, all the numbers i posted above are true. One of your clanmates admitted these numbers too, pointing out that it's "very rare" to see so many on (13 KNOWN enemies when we talked). Do you just not log on at all or you like to dazzle reality? Either/or I keep seeing 10ish everyday, and yes I don't make a difference between RGB and Outlaws when i count, both would kill us in the same pk-group regardless.

P.S.: firewizz are you the angry swede that kept spamming us for peace late last wipe and this wipe too but got it denied? I could understand your trashtalking if that was the case.

ok lets stop this bullshit and lets get pablo to outlaw irc for week. Then he can realize the situation much better. To zone or not to zone.... you will see.
ofc all outlaws has to approve this suggestion.

have fun (non-fighting) wipe...

Your "enemy" highlights are not the same as Outlaw highlights.... Get that fucking straight you mofo... i mean where did you come from?!?! when we were bsp (before the split) where where you then?!?!? what clan?! what chars!?!? I mean who the fuck do you think you are anyway?!?! Sounding like Mavlad Jr. or something.... If you don't know what is going on the dont post like you do!

God damn pablo, how do you sleep at night? You have absolutely no idea you n00b motherfucker! So STOP POSTING!

rofl

It's not easy being greeeeeeeeeeeen...

firewizz is mad that pablo became more elite than him while he was too busy with tajs dick in his mouth to get better at this game.

Taj dick in mouth or mavlad dick in ass...

Tough decision.

Won't go in mh numbers "problem", don't feel like discussing it, but speaking about Outlaws numbers...pablo you really shouldn't post :) See, as Nis (or somebody else) said earlier, some ppl in Outlaws refuse to zone with rgb. Also, not understimating rgb's skills, it is NOT same to zone and pk with them for us, as to zone or pk with our 10man. Allies is different story, teamplay is way worse, ppl know each other worse, and coordinated worse as well.
About your attitude that "all known evils online are Outlaws"...get over it, it's not truth! Speaking about mh numbers, of course we didn't include known randomers (who are known evils, surprise!), or nowclan at the point when we were "at war", or whotthefuckever else. Also we don't count "neutrals" that are zoning with you.
To Jenn, whatever your name on forum is: Sometimes we highlight neutrals, if we see them often with mh (you should realize we can't say for sure whether it is neutral or not). Usually we highlight them "suspicious", and it is not reason enough to kill in most situations. Attacking after another prove a char groups evils etc. So, when we kill a neutral (a guy who ends up being a neutral or can cheat us and make us think it is a neutral), we always give chance to get peaced, and in most situations return eq (of course, if we loot eq from faldainen, we won't believe pablo saying "who's it" in reply to log). Nevertheless, if a guy groups evils again, it doesn't only get highlighted for this "grouping of evils", but also for lying to us and breaking his trustworthy (in reply to Hamtaro). If you think we were gonna attack you at first, you must be total n00b :), but even if you're not, i think it's your kind of defending your opinion about us being so bad, that we were gonna attack you. Me, playing Helena, said "jenn too" because i had you highlighted suspicious, how do you think, would we all go on hamtaro if we had a healer highlighted in that group? Now think again!
Well, i haven't been playing much lately due to lack of time, but still, even with my playtime i see mh grouping 50694303 "neutrals", only part of which ends up being real neutrals. And you said we killed 8. Whatever, but i don't believe any single one of them didn't group mh at some point and was seen.
Finishing this, i can teach you some! don't recall targets and you will be ok. Sometimes even good irl friends can make you a target to clan on accident in situation like this. And there is noone to blame cept for you.

OK, it seems you guys still don't get it. FUCKING READ FOR ONCE:

1) I DON'T SAY "OUTLAW CLAN" HAS 10+ ON EVERY DAY
2) I SAY THAT THERE IS 10+ OF RGB+OUTLAW IN THE SAME DAMN GROUP
EVERYDAY, NO MATTER HOW YOU ARE TITLED, IT STILL SHOWSTHE SAME
LIST WHEN YOU TYPE "GROUP".

firewizz: Visit your psychologist, you seem to have anger problems. ITS A
GAME firewizz, don't take stuff so seriously :)

Ok pablo i think you are somewhat right that outlaws and rgb has 6-8 man groups zoning together, but it wasnt like that before fins were banned. Before we zoned as diffirent clans, popped others sucky decays, and pked w/o other clan (ofc there was that one time we killed Kuno with rgb). Thing is that if ppl still wanna zone at all, they must join forces to do even small crap. I dont even understand why ppl flame each others about numbers, there will not be any fighting at this wipe anymore. just ambushes and stuff like that... Keep on rocking in the free world!
lets pwipe it :)

hold on, let us figure the rest of the zones first!
shouldn't flame, just merge, recruit and game on

If you decide to visit psychlogist, don't visit the one Pablo is visiting. HE DOESN'T HELP!!!

I love you all

Sometimes you're up, sometimes you're down... the most fun you can have is that when you're at the same level as your opponent.

I talked to a lot of my "enemies" (some of them are real close friends from when i was in BSP) and we are not so different. Heck, even Feroz can be a decent guy (i cant believe i said that!) even if he trash talks me behind my back...

It took me a while to figure out but... take it easy, play for fun, no reason to play to "win", do that in your business in real life and maybe you'll be GRUELING RICH one day.

-Wiggle-

Hell i don't need a psychologist, what i need is a beer and a new game to play!
(And maybe some anger management) But mainly a beer.

who is firewizz ? i would say ddog but last a couple of his posts wasn't usual for ddog who is more stable.

Location: Eskilstuna, Sweden
Damn ddog is living all around the Europe at same time!
p.s. need some beer too :(
and a hot female psychologist!
and another one.

sweeds giving up too? danes and russians doesn't quit only !