I think there's not enough PK.

Nowclan bullying? We suggested an arranged war with Addiction, the leader of the clan agreed, possibly without consulting his members, and then the clan disbanded all of a sudden. I personally talked to 2 of the other leaders about it and we decided to leave them and their former members entirely alone; despite the fact that if we wanted to we could have harvested their stacked characters for gear on the pretense of the arranged war. As it was explained to me by them the clan breakup was a long time coming and caused by internal problems. Don't blame Nowclan for the dissolution of Addiction, we wanted a friendly, fun-filled war and it didn't work out. Hence our boredom and current wars.

It's not easy being greeeeeeeeeeeen...

Benwa, your idea might work, except for the fact that no one from wild or outlaw reads these forums. Most likely because they are spammed by crazy-ass newbs. The posts on these forums don't reach a large majority of the mud base, but people seem to think they do.

[color=blue]Nowclan had nothing to do with it, but many people who joined addiction just wanted to zone. That was a minor problem though, there were larger issues hurting the clan, and lack of ranks killed the will to play for many of the members, including some of the most active members. Some people start back at school too, which doesn't help any. But no, don't blame Nowclan for Addiction's breakup, they really didn't have anything to do with it.[/color]

If you think it's a good idea then why don't you do it? I think you probably play enough.

It doesn't even have to be someone very zone experienced because get something going someone will come along to help with zone leading usually. Just someone who can be around, keep people organized , not take too many breaks etc. (I Don't describe you here mike, these are additional thoughts.)

Pedro offers you his protection.

Because I'd rather shoot myself in the kneecap than try to zone and clan with random people who aren't experienced. I do zone with neutrals and members of neutral zoning clans, but it is too painful due to people spamming the group (malthros is an example!), people who don't know the game mechanics (like resting to take the tick - but missing the heal), people spamming for items, people spamming for books, people recalling mid-zone because their mom told them to come to dinner, people recalling mid-zone because someone pisses them off or they get to very bad before getting cured, people only willing to come to a zone that loads a book, people spamming what zone are we going to, people going afk for 10 minutes, people dueling mid-zone, getting everyone to the right town after recalling, people only able to stay in the group for one zone (clans zone for hours on end - people know if they join the group they better be ready to stay), the list can go on. I can zone with neutrals for maybe 3 zones a week, but that is the extreme limit before I go out of my mind. BSP, Wild, Outlaw members actually know how to zone and work together properly and if I wanted to clan again it would be with people from these groups. And you can't really make a neutral zoning clan out of these kind of people because they will be attacked (shadowlords last wipe.) which, btw, isn't a complaint.

The "some people in my group suck" thing happened to me recently, while grouping with 3 friends, and 1 new person. This new person was a friend of a friend, of one of my friends in the group. They were our group's second healer.
For what we were doin, they weren't entirely necessary. Their heals made things move along faster, but then the guy started to spam gtell, and make demands.
He was not the leader of the group. I was.
So I recalled him. And I and my 3 friends finished the zone, and moved onto other zones.
I can understand how some people might not have a decent group already, or other options for groupmates.
These people may be forced to group with idiots/newbs/spammers, et al. And then they need to figure out a way to deal with the situation themselves, that works to their bes adavantage, and the advantage of their current group as a whole.
But solo'ing is always an option. So is logging off.
Take a risk. Group with new people. Thats how you make new friends to group with, often and safely, and to everyone's advantage.
And once in awhile you get one of those assholes you just have to recall away from the group.

i will always ask what zone are we going to before i spend the time to trek to fucking palanthas. If we are doing grak, i don't need to meet you in palanthas. It is a reasonable question that i expect an immediate answer to. I took the time to trek to palanthas when we could have formed in neraka. I was pissed off, simply because it delayed zoning unneccesarily.

And really i never want to meet someone in palanthas. I hate that side of the world. (well maybe not n. ergoth and sancrist and such)

Next zone is neccesary info.

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I once got recalled for this rather elementary heal bot script going off in a no cleric magic room (there are a couple in the game where it's very bad to cure people etc.), I suppose I deserved it but man does that piss you off. I said the exact same things in another thread mike, these people need training, do not spam group, leader does not want to answer 10 peoples questions on what is this or that. It should be common sense that you are really frikkin annoying people with certain questions or too much questions or requests that require higher levels of trust then the first time they have ever grouped you. It would be fine if people asked what zone is next when the group is already filled out and you just finished a zone if people didn't start (as usually happens) whining about the zone selection. Next zone isn't necessary.

Pedro offers you his protection.

why whine? if you're grouping for multiple zones just silently put in a request to leader for zone you want to do (i.e. tell) then just grind with them.

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[color=blue]Hey now, I only spam the group when I'm bored out of my mind...

...sadly that's been since about week 4 of the wipe. :( *apol*[/color]

I led a 'peaceful zoning clan' for 3 wipes (yes, good old Renshai), and everyone's aware of how well they stayed out of wars. There was even one point that (for a long month) we were at the top (thanks to BSP mass deleting and Wild quitting out of boredom) and we even refrained from killing helpless neutrals. Of course that didn't stop Wilds from coming out of retirement with all their deeprented super shinies to ambush us for no good reason. Well, I've learned since then that there were a few reasons I wasn't aware of, but thats another story.

Some group of asshats will ALWAYS attack, no matter how nice and friendly your clannies are. And there will ALWAYS be some asshat in your clan that can't handle that some neutral called him a loser, and he'll start some shit. Or, there will ALWAYS be equipment decaying that Patrick has his named stamped on, so you best give it back to him or get squashed until he goes back to prison.

A lot of people on this mud can't stand seeing a clan actually enjoy themselves by zoning and staying out of pk. They'll attack for no reason whatsoever, or because they're bored. There is no way around it. If you want to do zones like Pax, you and the rest of your clan better play enough to be able to camp that IRC channel and be ready to masslog for the 10 seconds of window open to attack.

Of course there are also clans like Nowclan, that play only to pk and don't zone (anymore). I can't say the logs of you guys smashing Sigil aren't amusing, but shit like that sure doesn't encourage me and other people who really play to zone to come back and try to vainly lead a 'peaceful zoning clan'. Player mentality sucks way too much for that to be worth the attempt anymore.

Matt

AMEN

PS. I think Matt is bored at work

Rick

We played peacefully (except an incident with Myth) for the first few months of the wipe, zoning unmolested by BSP, Outlaw, or any other clan. Again, our arranged war with Addiction fell apart and by then we were bored as hell with zoning pointlessly (no ranks, no spells to get, no gear loading)- this is the result. It was never our policy or intention to be a pk clan, but hey- when nobody wants to zone anymore, what else is there? War is way more fun anyway. I'm amazed other clans haven't gone the same route recently.

It's not easy being greeeeeeeeeeeen...

[color=blue]Garbage had no real problems with BSP/Wild or anyone else till a war broke out with DM over a retarded zone, which ended up as garbage vs dark shai, with garbage ultimately losing since key members up and quit in the middle of the damn war, more importantly, after a nice win.

I don't recall Seeing any problesm with Sigil/nowclan/addiction for awhile early in the wipe. I know there were some tense spots, and some people in the clans wanted to jump each other, but it didn't happen. A war was getting arranged between Addiction and Nowclan, but Addiction fell apart shortly before it started. The war was part of the reason, but a larger part was boredom in general (with the exception of those in addiction who joined the clan because it was believed the clan wouldn't war at all). I wouldn't have minded seeing an addiction/nowclan war, the only downside to wars is that it can put strain on playtime, and for some people who don't have much free time to MUD, that could basicly ruin the game for them.

Really the war between sigils and nowclan shouldn't be suprising. Both clans were running out of entertaining zoning, and war was reall yhte only option left to keep things somewhat interesting, and with Addiction disbanded, sigil/nowclan seemed quite likely for war, since both clans would likely be more active in a war than say, Myth or KoS, who never seemed to be into pk that much.[/color]

Sigil didnt want a war with Nowclan nor did we expect one. Seeing as how I was told that we wouldnt be attacked. But Boredom does wonderful things to people and thats where it is now.

Yeah really, with no ranks/elite spells to pop, you kinda get bored of just zoning, adds some excitement to be warring somebody. I have no hard feelings against Nowclan, I'm glad we had some fun fights, and hopefully more to come, (if they can put their homework down for like 2 hours and arrange something.) At least there's some half organized randomers to keep us entertained.

-Jessy

Thats why it is very important for Aristox to implement new systems that can not be exploited by bordem. "Awaits Aristox for next wipe*

Matt would only return to lead a clan if a certain someone returned also. IF his wife didn't kill him for returning. I know this person alone would make dealing with the twinks worth it:)

Enubis

Russ, Matt keeps saying your wife is hot in the daily e-mails to us. Every day its like "DAMN RUSS' wife is hot"

Kick his ass

I only said his wife was hot [i]once[/i] in the last 3 damn years!

And yes my fun was ruined when our #1 leader got to the point where he couldn't lead anymore. Being #2 was fun, #1 is just too much damn work.

Leading sucks.

Just like people who afk every goddamn 5 minutes to piss or jerk off.

Just like people in 3rd world neighborhoods who lose their link every 10 minutes.

Just like people who start their monitors on fire and throw them out the window.

You know who you are.