Were you Pince or Exe? You seem overly bitter about this.

I play davin, kranthian, and exe. i knew pince was rurh and i was multiing to form up with him and gain his trust. if you guys would have waited 20 more minutes we were heading to the steam golem and i was gonna bash him with all 3 chars :( :( but you had to go and ruin my fun of destroying rurh (!)

I'll add pince to my list of 'accurate' highlights.

[color=blue]Or you could be a man and say who you play, and BSP would stop 'mis-highlighting'.[/color]

No one is making them do anything.

Their highlight tactics are abysmal.

Why don't you 'be a man' and mass delete?

That'd be the manly thing to do, if you wanted to be a man.
Doesn't matter that it wouldn't help anything.. just be a man and do it.

[color=blue]You don't think that if you listed every character you played, that BSP would kill less 'non-rurhs'?[/color]

There are 3 scenarios here.

1) I do nothing. BSD continues to have bad highlights. People die.

2) I give all my char names, create new ones. BSD continues to have bad highlights. People die.

3) I give all my char names and quit. BSD continues to have bad highlights. People die.

I'm not the issue here.

You forgot

4) You give all your char names and keep playing. BSD hunts you. You die. No bad highlights.

Then you'd be ignorant.

There are plenty of bad highlights that don't even involve me.

The fact your highlights of me are rediculously inaccurate doesn't say much about any other highlights you have either.

Rurh you have no clue how any BSP or any other clan highlights work. As long as evils roll unknowns and group with nuetrals mistakes will be made. It is completely unavoidable. Being safe and not stupid while making potential enemy lists is the most effective way to catch all evils. And when mistakes are made and someone killed is clearly not evil, they are removed. Why don't you talk out of your ass some more.

Your error here is that you think I am unaware of these facts.

Your post suggests you didn't grasp the situation of that other thread.

Nol said there'd be no bad highlights. He's wrong.

You just counteracted your own clanmate.

If you are aware that mistakes are made and then fixed, what is with your broken record mantra?

Because you brought it up, dumbass.

Because Malthros brought it up, dumbass.

Because nol brought it up, dumbass.

Seeing a pattern?

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That and not all your mistakes are fixed.

Only have to look at your own witchhunts to see that.

If you can't even get me, how can you have any confidence in any of your other highlights? Or any confidence in any you've fixed supposedly?

I coulda sworn one of your 2 dumbass friends was who started this thread... Forgive me for taking time to respond to your drivel.

What I say is an indepentant instance from what my friends say.

Why the reference to them?

We're talking about what I'm saying, and what people are saying to me.

You said "malthros brought this up" "nol brought this up" "you brought this up".

Well, we didn't. Your dumbass cronie did.

I don't think you know what's going on anymore.

You seem mightily confused.

I'm not talking about the thread, I'm talking about 'repeats' when people keep saying the same things to me.

I'm talking about the line of attacks starting with malthros about 10 posts ago.

90% of any repeating I do, is because of ignorant people making attacks that have already been countered 30 times in the past.

Rurh your argument is full of unsubstantiated claims. Until you tell me who these "bad highlights" are, I'll continue to think you have no support for your argument.

Ruhr to argue that we havent found you is completely irrelevant. Besides, I bet we have and you just wont admit to it. Anyone can play anonymously on a mud and keep a low profile. The enemies we highlight are those with flashy eq(from zones that nuetrals can't do, and we check with friendly clans to make sure they don't belong to them) or who group with enemies. You can easily avoid both of those and keep a low profile existence out of the clan-war circuit. And the only time things don't get cleared up after a pk error is if the person who was pkilled doesn't bother talking to us, or just starts talking shit instead of calmly telling us about our mistake.

In regards to your "well ignorant people keep bringing up points ive already adressed" thing. God, I sure as hell don't want to read all 1300 of your posts.

How is it irrelevant?

The statement has been that BSD makes bad highlights.

You've only said "well we're too full of ourselves to make sacrifices to help the general population, so we gotta".

That is not in dispute.

Every 'Rurh' kill you've made is a bad highlight.

The post occurances do not thwart the fact that the original highlight was bad to begin with.

What part of this do you not understand?

(Gee, I'm having to repeat myself because of an ignorant idiot... whatd'ya know?)

Our highlight on Bro was backed by numerous sources. I find it more plausible that they're telling the truth and you're lying than you telling the truth and them lying. Keep going though, it really makes you look good.

That only makes your wonderful system that much more funny.

It's like Patrick's logic multiplied by a half dozen people?

It's more plausable sure, but you've really lost on this one. There's just no particular way I can prove it, other than Aristox or another high staff ratting me out.

I'm guessing your a dirty hippie and you've never done anything competitive. When you interpret good tactics as "we are too full of ourselves to help the general population" I really have nothing to say to you. No one plays to lose. Of course everyone will use everything they have at their disposal to achieve victory for this side. Again, you would know nothing about this because you have no part in the best part of arctic. The 2 big clan-wars that have been going on since most current players started playing here. If you were in the position of having good eq(i know thats a stretch) and the drive to keep it in your hands, you wouldn't go frolicking around ignoring the fact that there are people who want to rob you of it.

Evils roll unknowns. With how pathetically easy it is to make chars and level them ultra-fast its dangerous to underestimate the enemies. Just as an example check sufs for the Rath rip. All those were unknowns who killed him. If we constantly waited for unknowns to get in a group of 5 and attack us before we highlighted them we would be crushed fast. It's strategy. It's competition. I know you don't understand these things but a very high percentage of the playerbase does.

You still don't get what I'm saying.

Clan highlights have been a topic of debate for awhile now.. it's one of the bigger issues. It's one of the main reasons the clan system is going in.

Because you guys can't control yourselves.

Ruining the game isn't a tactic.

Oh please.

I'm tired of refuting things you say because you don't even consider that you MAY BE WRONG. Ruining the game? Give me a break. The thing you can't get through your head is that nuetrals aren't just highlighted for no reason. Even once you are marked "suspicous" you arent highlighted as evil. I'd really love to hear some of these names of all the people who are killed for no reason. It doesn't happen, and you are proving how clueless you are by going on that it does. Do you have some sort of ESP with any newbie who logs on here and is pkilled at level 9 by a 10man bsp? There is no randoming going on. If you think a powerful clan, pkilling enemies on a Pkill mud is ruining the game.. God, you must have a really fulfilling and pleasant life.

EDIT - When I say randoming isn't going on, I'm referring to bsp. Every person we kill is for a reason. Unlike you I don't claim to know what everybody out there does and thinks.

No, they're highlighted because of zoning with one other guy that's been highlighted, or having equipment that you don't think they should normally have.

They're highlighted and killed for a load of dumbass reasons.

But I've -never- said (at least not jokingly) that there's ever no reason.
That's just another thing you stuff in my mouth.

"There is no randoming going on."

You're hopelessly ignorant.

"If you think a powerful clan, pkilling enemies on a Pkill mud is ruining the game"

That's just it. Most of them aren't enemies... at least till you kill them.

Point 2, too much of anything is bad. You've crossed the line a long time ago (the mud mentality). Most of the mud has.

"EDIT - When I say randoming isn't going on, I'm referring to bsp. Every person we kill is for a reason. Unlike you I don't claim to know what everybody out there does and thinks."

Sahn - 2 posts ago.

"There is no randoming going on."
You're hopelessly ignorant.

Ruhr - 1 post ago.

Do I need to spell this out to you or is the pasting enuf?

And? Randoming always has a reason.

What's your point?

Highlighting people at random doesn't require a reason.

..at least not on the same level as randoming.

I give up ruhr. 56 of my 60 posts are responses to dumbass things that have slipped from your mouth. I'm tired of giving you realistic answers because you aren't being realistic. You have no place in the high level wars. You telling BSP how to handle their highlight system is laughable.

PS - Actual randoming doesn't have a reason. It's called randoming because you just randomly kill people you see and so forth. If you have a motive to kill someone it is not randoming.

Those same posts came with crap out of yours.

You still don't get it. There's a REASON why the clan system is going in. Maybe you should go read that thread, and aristox's post?

All your arguments have been refuted.

It is not unrealistic to expect people to enact some kind of self control.
You drastically underestimate the effect large clans have on the system.

"PS - Actual randoming doesn't have a reason. It's called randoming because you just randomly kill people you see and so forth. If you have a motive to kill someone it is not randoming."

Then there is no randoming, according to you.

People random because they are bored, just want to kick someone's ass, or want some stupid equipment, and so on.

The fact that one guy will walk into the room and you set your targets on him, as opposed to another, is the random occurance.

If there was no reason, we'd simply be scripts.

What you don't understand is free will.

It is any players choice to act on this mud how they want to. If they are doing anything that is against the rules, sure they can be banned or deleted. PKing, even randoming, though, is completely within the rules.

Adding rules that weren't here from the games conception is just a "fuckyou" to the players who put in effort to learn and play this game as it was intended. You and your politically correct attitude is exactly what is ruining this world. Not just this mud. People don't all deserve equality. I don't think people should be discriminated against for any reason like race or sexual preference, but to step on the foot of those who adapt well and flourish in the environment they are placed in seems pretty wrong to me. I'm guessing by your general attitude that you think homeless people should be payed by the government to. How about dumb teenage whores who go and get pregnant and live off welfare. God forbid you go out and do well for yourself. You are just a communist hippie douche.

Entire post thwarted by:

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

There are plenty of things we are free to do, but isn't good to do. These decisions can affect self and others.

It's called personal responsibility... whether it affects your social life and friends, or the happenings on a game.

Rules are usually only created when people take things too far... hence the clan system.

I think collective intelligence is being scoffed at if you actually expect people to believe you were both Exe and Davin. I'm willing to bet Davin IS Benwa, or even Exe, and his immediate silence in his own thread after suf's post is all the confirmation needed. Highlighted.

Walking the Dark Path Alone

I have to agree with sahn on the fact that so far THIS WIPE BSP has behaved itself fairly well. We all know that last wipe BSP was 99% trash that almost killed the mud, but they seem to have realized how much they screwed up last wipe and so far they are being reasonable IMO. I still keep my eye's on BSP whenever I'm in kalaman and they all start looking at me, since it would only take one bad assumption to get me killed, but I'm not as worried about them simply jumping me as I was last wipe.

But I did happen to have 1 brush with a BSP this wipe. Powah, I'm told he is BSP and I have seen him in a few logs, happened to look at my scout, Streg, in pal's mage guild and he happened to ask what the stats on my axe was. I, not being a dumb newbie, simply said it was trash and then headed to the inn to rent for the night. A few moments after I entered the inn I got a surprise.... Powah dded to me and started asking about my axe again! Needless to say I wasn't all too happy and I made that very clear, by more or less telling him he could get his ass owned by being that dumb. My worries about his motives were basically confirmed a day later when I saw him shouting for a good prime axe.... I just wonder what his EXACT motive was for dding to me like he did? I'm sure he just wanted to know the stats of my mostly trash axe...

Now I didn't relay that little story just to "prove" how evil BSP is or anything. But BSP does have a problem with its members thinking that just because they are in a powerful clan that they can treat neutrals like trash and make aggressive actions and believe that they will be easily protected by the clan.

You could say he thought I was a unknown evil or whatever. But the simple fact is that with the help of some friends I can load some really nice eq that clans normally consider only theirs. Just because I can get my hands on some eq with 2 friends and a group of random neutrals doesn't mean BSP, or any clan, has the right to target me as an unknown evil.

PS.*GASP* yes! I did publicly post one of my char names for all to see!!!! I'm not afraid of people knowing who I play since I don't make a habit of acting like a jackass just for the hell of it.

Yes... so far.

BSD is in a weakened state as from last wipe.

Addiction seems to have taken in the hordes of stragglers at the moment, but as soon as that 'zoning clan''s guise dissolves.. who knows.

We always see fluctuations.

They may be less power now, but their system still exists, and its a matter of time before they get bored/powerful again.

I would be shocked if Addiction could manage to jack a 10 man neutral group without serious problems. So I seriously doubt Addiction will be a problem this wipe.

i did think it was pretty lame how bsp just started whacking exe.. that was totally not necessary and lame. I woulda been bitter as fuck if it was me .

it was mostly Ahmed's (my) fault since i didn't explain half of the group why this pk is going on, but i tried to save him telling in fight that he is not an evil. We did return eq also.

Perhaps you can explain this email I received:

This is from my younger brother, who plays Jetrin. Exe had Jetrins equipment, because Jetrin had died earlier while zoning with those guys (wandering mob stabbed him while memming). Jetrin hasn't got his eq back, and has instead been killed twice.

This is his first wipe, and he's just about to title. Leave him alone. Both of my brothers have started playing, and I try to protect them as much as I can. Obviously, there's nothing I can do when a clan starts killing them except ask "why?".

I'm not sure if it was just some joke or what, but Pince is not Rurh. If you are killing him for that reason, you have made a mistake. If you have another reason, game on.

!!!

Pedro offers you his protection.

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Suf I am neither, I belive mavlad killed pince (and exe) for something like eq. I've been highlighted for having two dam head and I heard a story about someone else being "Accidently" highlighted for the same +2 dam and the crime of having a dwarven morning star that hadn't visited celestial temple yet. I've seen the bullshit highlights FIRST FUCKING HAND.

Pedro offers you his protection.

OMG I think i'm failling in love with ejs political mentality. MMMMM!
Remind me of an old saying about liberals.
If it moves TAX it.
If it keeps moving REGULATE it.
If it stops moving SUBSIDIZE it.
The great communicator Ronald Reagan I believe.

Pedro offers you his protection.

Davin and Exe aren't me, but I already said none of those are me. The reason why I mentioned learning of the incident of suf's is because....ok this is wierd...OH BECAUSE I LEARNED ABOUT THE INCIDENT ON SUFS!! If you want to be a moron and highlight those people because you think they are me go ahead. I'm quiet on the weekends for the most part blackmagus, I mostly post at work

Pedro offers you his protection.

don't mix us with wildlaw which pkill for any decent item, we have quite enough eq to pkill for fun.

http://arctic.elay.org/index.php?option=viewlog&logid=1479

Mavlad, or any other BSP-

I'll ask again: why is BSP after Jetrin?

Jetrin is my 15 year old brother Mark's first character. He is the very definition of neutral. If he accidentally grouped some 'evils', please just tell him who to avoid and leave him alone. He's certainly not affiliated with wild, as Bek told him.

It seriously pisses me off to receive a panicked email from my younger brother about how tons of people are after his character and how he doesn't know what to do.

What pisses me off even more is that someone [b]new[/b] to the game comes in and starts learning, enjoying the game, and playing alot - then BOOM! BSP tries to drive them out of existence.

I mean, what the fuck? Leave the guy alone. If you want to talk more, email me at bribera@u.washington.edu - just give Mark peace. Hell, it'd be nice if you helped him out a little, even. Of course, you guys don't seem to be interested in doing anything constructive, or anything besides killing Rurh/Outlaws.

How is that NOT constructive!

Rick

I don't get why any morons defend bsp, they havn't changed. I'm not saying RGB is a whole lot better, but at least it's easier to get revenge on them :P. Sooner or later if you aren't in bsd you will be bullshit highlighted (and this will almost always be when you have the nicest eq you will possess in the wipe) I'm not accusing bsp of Highlighteing for having nice eq, I'm accusing them of KILLING PEOPLE JUST FOR THIER EQ, because they want it, or think that it belongs to them.

Pedro offers you his protection.

Well, that still doesn't seem to hold up as an answer to why my brother is getting killed.

Like I said, he's really new to the game. I think the best piece of eq he had was a +dex / det_invis mask that I gave him; of course, he's been grouping on his own so other people could have helped him out.

But still, all of his equipment was easily attained my a neutral (myself) and I sincerely doubt he's getting killed for it. They hunt him when he's naked, too.

cuz they are meanies. They believe the only people who should enjoy the game is themselves. It is selfish. Sure if people enjoy pk matches then they will participate. But if they just want to be off by themselves, or zone in groups leave em alone. yoink!

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Dofkin, read mail.

I am not RURH! I am PINCE! Fuck you Rurh for being the fag to cause all this bullshit, show your ugly fat ass and let them kill you already, you fucking homo. I was killed for a fucking easypop item that he was being a jerk about becausei would'nt sell him his "Quest item for 5k". rurh was just the afterthought.. rurh's a spineless bitch for causing so much trouble on us neutrals.

I apologize for stepping out of my normal role as arbiter of all things grammar. A matter of great importance has gripped my thoughts, and I must share.

That's right, ladies and gentlemen: I have discovered the fabled "leak" about which Rurh spoke so often in previous threads. It's been in front of us all along, disguised and malignantly untraceable.

"What is this foul beast?", you ask. Put simply: it is the steady flow of hot air coming out of Rurh's own mouth. His toadish and often overtly bellicose mannerisms have encouraged and fed a culture of hatred.

Rurh himself keeps a list of character names, characters who were incorrectly highlighted as himself and executed. These characters aren't simply randomed; they are wholly and completely extirpated by the crushing hand of BSP. This is a true leak, my friends. In opening his mouth, Rurh has created a larger problem than any he has ever spoken against. He has laid a golden excuse at the feet of BSP, saying "Go forth in the name of Rurh, and kill neutrals!". To be sure, BSP is to blame for each and every neutral they kill. But Rurh, in his blindness and ignorance (so often purported as logic) has generated a frenzy that almost permits such excuses.

How shall we seal the leak?

The answer is simple. Personally, I don't wish to drive anyone away from this game. Yes, even Rurh. My suggestion is this: Rurh must sacrifice himself - not in the game, but on the forums - and never speak again. This will erase the illusory excuse of "Rurh hunting" that currently protects BSP's antics. Additionally, it will save countless posters hours of valuable time spent sifting through the spew of "You are so illiterate!" and "I am a logical demi-god, bow before me, peons!" garbage. Let him keep his sniveling and oh-so-precious characters; his voice is the sacrifice I demand!

After this action, of course, BSP will still be a pack of mudsexing, randoming bastard-whores. But an era of Rurh-dominated forums will have ended, and the outcry against the raping of neutrals will be much stronger.

Oh, and I think it would be really funny if this actually happened.

Man your name reminds me of something.

The Nazis said "Your life sucks cuz of the Jews" and instead of attacking the people they should have been attacking, the germans attacked the Jews. Well if we read Nazis as BSP, and Jews as Rurh, it's the same.

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Hey GrammarNazi, which of the multitudes are you on Suf's sight that're screaming for the same thing? Given the punctuation and sentence structure, I have a good idea of who you are amongst that list of those screaming for Rurh to reveal all multi(s). My question is, why the alternate name?

Walking the Dark Path Alone

Woo! Can't stand someone who's talking, huh?

Awwww..

No one is forcing BSD to do anything.
Nor does hunting me actually produce anything useful.

It's just an excuse to take out anger on whoever they want.

They're just proving what I've been saying all along about the poor quality of the playerbase.

[b]dofkin:[/b] As I said, BSP is a pack of mudsexing, randoming bastard-whores. The entire point of my post is not to actually say that Rurh causes randoming; rather, it's a playful way to make fun of him [i]and[/i] BSP. I don't advocate killing him in the game.

[b]BlackMagus:[/b] I'm not one of "those ones" from Suf's. Like I said in my post, I don't want Rurh to reveal his characters. I want him to shut up in the forums and play the game discretely. The alias adds... mystique. And it's fun. I've posted less than 10 comments on Suf's, so I doubt that you'd recognize me by my writing.

[b]Rurh:[/b] I like talking. If you read and understood my post, you'd know that I agree with everything you just said: nothing good is coming of people hunting you, they use you as an excuse to hurt people, [i]et cetera[/i]. My half joking suggestion is for you to remove or mitigate their desire to hunt you by removing yourself from the forums.

you have to be kam

Man Rurh is whinny ~

5 or so years being gone from the mud, lvl 26 and counting, unclanned, have yet to have a pkill attempt on me. Of course I keep my P's & Q's and don't step on toes, and am nice all around. After last playing the mud after being one of the leaders of Mystic Harpers in the MH vs. Shriner days, this is like a strawberry shortcake fantasy land.

makes me want to join BSP just to kill rurh

flame on!

Who knows, you may actually help them actually accomplish the task.

When I get home we'll start the search for GrammarNazi's alter ego!

To be coming soon: a list of all usernames who have posted fewer than 10 comments. (Dated from his post, so no sneaking in any extra posts to pad your count!)

There's always that chance that he's lying and has really posted more than 10 times or not at all.

one of the reasons this mud is so fun to play is because its so challenging and because there are so many randomers, pk'ers,,,im a newb and i dont random or pk but i feel that if i can get to lvl 20 without getting pk'd then i've accomplished alot. 20's the highest ive ever gotten and it was all solo stuff with my paladin. ive tried harder zones but i always seem to die or dt. i guess what im trying to say is without a big group like bsp to hate then the mud wouldnt be as interesting. i look forward to learning more zones and getting good enough on the mud to kill a 10 man bsp group by myself :D

Haven't been killed by BSP, have been hunted down and killed by others who thought I was BSP once.

All in all not too bad as a neutral, grouped with anyone who to my knowledge wasn't actively involved in a war, seen a diversity of groups and no real overabundance of paranoia. Hopefully it may stay this way for the wipe, when I returned to the game late last wipe after 5 years gone it was very little fun at all.

You talk a lot for how much you know. I think you're wrong.

I think your post is full of shit.

*wipes the sweat from his brow*

why did it take you WEEKS to think rurh was wrong?
i dont think he is wrong
but most people tell him he is wrong within hours of his posts, if not minutes

Wtf Shriner vs Harper, it was Storm vs Harpers! Was fun thou!