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Who ever said BSP was a peaceful zoning clan? That's the kind of talk I always heard out of RoT's mouth right before they jumped someone.

I've seen several times bsp group with group title "Peaceful zoning clan". And I believed them.

I'm going to have to agree with Suf. The Clan that killed Wild, and is in the process of killing Outlaws is a peaceful zoning clan? Surely, you arn't that stupid.

All i have to say is this clan bsp needs to be faught. No matter if the odds are against ya, someone needs to step up to these guyz and not take shit from them anymore.. They dont have the mainpower they use to.. They cant log 10mans 24/7 everyday cuz half the time there enemies are on. Strike em hard and fast.. Some of them think they cant be touch and be roaming around. All im saying is peeps need to join the fight against bsp since they have this mind set they can go Bsp vs the mud and win. Not like you have nothing to lose but respect. Deep renting eq cause you fear there 15+heals big hp warriors is not going to solve the problem.. Asking for peace only to get war again within 2 months is not going to solve the problem. Telling them not to pk anyone is not going to solve the problem. Bsp is strong together but very weak when there apart. Strength in numbers.. We work together and drop the pride and you will see the downfall of bsp empire.. Just look how the romans fell!

The phrase "easier said than done" comes to mind. But I would add... INSANLY easier said than done. Its simply not even remotly worth the effort to fight anymore this wipe since the wipe's dead anyway. I have given up on this wipe soo much that I was even trying to pick a fight with a clan fool a few days ago just to get hunted and add something new to the game.... No clue yet if it worked LoL

Since everyone jumped Ilyaclan this wipe then maybe something wrong with Ilya? :)

[color=blue]Just because they say they're a peaceful zoning clan, doesn't mean you should be a dumbass and believe them. :P[/color]

There are very few who are willing to take such a risk. I tried to take on a similar role against KoT and well, now I have no clan and don't actively play. It's hard to find quality players who have similar ambitions, such a goal is just, well, unrealistic.

if you didn't find this out yet derek, the only reason KoT became so large and powerful as it did was because of you.

Actually the majority of your members were nomadic scum, the same people who are still migrating around to this day.

As far as I know, we weren't the reason Shadowlords formed, and got so big so fast.

I dont remember if you all played way back in the day. But when the shriners had a empire and bsp and ahma lost to them everytime they step on the battlefield it was not very long till both clans merge kinda and faught the empire and even when they still loss eq set after eq set. They still kept throwing men at the shriners ranks and soon broke them down.. So to say it is unreal is not a fact at all. It has been done before and can be done again if people stop deep renting eq like its gold and go out there and win some on the battlefield. Some of you stop fightin this wipe because you feel its pointless. But hell play for some damn respect as a player of arctic mud. You think a pwipe is going to change anything?? I think not! Bsp will continue to grab new players as the wipe starts to end. Once it wipes there will not being any change.. Bsp will still be the fastest clan to grab all the leet shit cause well they have the men who are loyal to the clan.. I think thats what seperates them from alot of other clans.. The men who follow mavlad are loyal and will die for him even if it was a lost cause fight if it came down to it. Mavlad wont deep rent he will find a way to kill you even if its with a trash mage.. People need to play his game to win.. If you dont you will just deep rent and see this shit happen every wipe.. A wipe will not change nothing but new areas and new code.

I dont see how shadowlords resembles kot, There are barely, if any players from kot in shadowlords currently, shadowlords dont rampantly random, they do zones kot never tried. And whats your definition of scum? its obviously differnt from mine. randoming isn't scummy, joining a clan then spying on them and when they are weak because of your spying you leave them and join their enemies, yes thats scum. Rampantly spamming forums with useless garbage and narrowmindedneses? that too.

Why we even talking about slords.. They get attack and wont fight back.. They have like what 16+ people.. Most who are wild and wont even put up a fight.. Wont even TRY to catch a bsp soloing or roaming around a city.. Wont even TRY to zone with neutrals cause they are a shell within themselfs like wilds use to be and that is there weakness. While bsp is recruiting neutrals, slords are slaping them in the face and telling them hey we only grouping core group.. Everyone else is a spy!

"I dont see how shadowlords resembles kot, There are barely, if any players from kot in shadowlords currently, shadowlords dont rampantly random, they do zones kot never tried."

Currently no, when they were first expanding.. a ton. I don't recall specifically calling S.lords itself a scum clan, but rather many of its members, who, whether they are taking a break from their scum tactics or not, are still scum.

"randoming isn't scummy, "

It totally is. But that one would require its own thread.

"joining a clan then spying on them and when they are weak because of your spying you leave them and join their enemies, yes thats scum."

Hey, it's just a game. There are no rules against spying and espianoge (spelling?). In fact, it just makes the game more interesting, never knowing if your clan is about to be pulverized because of info leaked from an inside source. Nothing you do in the game has any bearing on your personality in real life, because as we all well know, IRL and the MUD are completely disconnected and the personality you see in the game is utterly different from the person sitting at the keyboard behind it.

Derek make a poor choice, and regrets it. We've all done stupid things that we rather we hadn't. I hardly condone what he did.

However, these people who random and such, do so continually without any kind of remorse. They're only sorry when they get caught, will ball their eyes out to get peace, backstab, repeat, and not feel a moments regret for it.

Derek made a stupid choice and regrets it, whereas these other people would be thinking to themselves "Haha, I totally got away with it!"

The latter is the true scum personality.

"Rampantly spamming forums with useless garbage and narrowmindedneses? that too."

Classifying anything you don't like or don't want to hear as garbage? that too.

Speaking out against scum is obviously a very scummy thing to do.

Look. You may have your point of view that pkilling is the same as murdering someone's dog, but most of us playing this game understand that pkilling, randoming or not, is the functional equivalent of demanding rent in a game of monopoly. It's part of how the game is played. There is nothing wrong with it, and you shouldn't feel remorse for ruthlessly playing the game the way it is meant to be played.

What Derek did, using this analogy, is the equivalent of arranging a side coalition with a few other players to bump another player out by sacrificing a few players to make one much stronger. While there is nothing against the "rules" in doing this, it does break the spirit of the game.

And while it isn't the same as "cheating," such as multying or stealing money from the bank, I certainly have very little interest in aiding in any way someone like that, or playing a game of Monopoly with them.

The only way you people can ever take down BSP is to get some kind of decent group together and explore the rest of the wipe. If BSP comes and wipes you out, buy peace and explore more, don't fight back you will lose. By next wipe you should know enough high zones, eq loads and spell loads to be on equal footing from the start of the wipe with BSP making it more of an equal fight as long as you are willing to put in time and deaths this and next wipe.

One note. Knowledge can only go so far. You also need discipline and organization, and you also need to have people who like playing the game together to succeed in the long run.

I agree with suf.. A lot of the people who want to fight bsp allready know the game and most of its secrets.. Its a matter of getting the man power to do the things you want and get people who are loyal to your cause. Fightin BSP is not a no win.. You can win with the right people who carry the same goals and put in just as much time as you do.

It's not time. BSP has this huge advantage in terms of manpower right now. However, and I speak from personally experience, they are nowhere near as organized as Wild was. BSP works more from a sort of casual setup. What happens happens, and people do something about it or step up or they don't.

You don't need to put in more playtime to beat BSP, just make the time that you play count.

Wild would tell its members to make a plan to jump BSP in the middle of their playtime, many times to their great success. That doesn't require a lot of time on the part of Wild, just the discipline and organization to do it.

On the other hand, sometimes it can pay to just get your best 10 together in the middle of BSP playtime and actively pick a fight. You may think you are guaranteed to lose, but the worst that happens if you lose is you spend a few days regearing.

I personally have been wanting to get a clan started for probably 4 wipes now but as most people I seem to meet and get to know end up being scum putting on a act or unknown clannies. I have basically had to accept the fact that Im always going to be a solo neutral with no good friends on the mud. I could attempt to join one of the current clans but IMO none of them (other than maybe KoS) seem to have any type of Honor because all I see from them is randoming of neutrals who MIGHT be a unknown evil. They can't seem to take the chance that a unknown evil will be allowed to lvl up in peace so they take out any neutral that has any good eq.

Say what you will about this being a game but I personally try to act acording to my own personal Honor Code regardless of what Im doing in life. Any clan Im apart of would also have to take Honor as seriously as I do or else they are not worth my time or loyalty. Any clan Im apart of would also NEVER backdown from the likes of BSP simply because they are more powerful...... There is no Honor in hiding from the enemy even when you know they will win.

Even with our recent mishaps, that post would lead me to believe that you would have fit in well with my group last wipe.

Another thing, it just dawned on me. Zeel = jnick?

I doubt you could find anyone on the mud who could truthfully tell you that I have ever acted in a way that would go against my sense of Honor. There's a reason why I have used the same 3 or 4 names for the last 4 wipes.

PS. I assume your post was in reply to mine. If it wasn't then... oops =)

EDIT:: Removed a extra "you".

i think i have fuigered it out and i was doing the exact same thing before. people have to have somewhere to place their blame. grown the hell up bsp is far from an evil enemy that goes out of their way to kill neutrals i have only prolly been killed by them one or twice since they have been around the whole problem is just as the problem with trash goes is that there is no real neutral no mattter what clan i refer to be it bsp wild(before they quit), kos , shadowlords or outlaws your either one of them or a pontetal enemy you may be neutral and odds are you won't get attacked but once your seen grouping the enemy or even overly eqiuped,( which if your level 20 and stacked with eq you deserve to lose it if you can't defend it just how the game works) you will probably have been marked suspect if you are truly "neutral" then youd have to have been in some pretty strange cercemstances to have been"activly hunted" (theres a difference ) completly by mistake. almost all clans work like this on one way or another.

Rurh,
Without taking this as an ambush, argument, but simply as a request to explain your logic, I don't recall any real rules against randoming. What rules are there against randoming? In this response, please do not use Corey, Mike, or Adam as an example, as their situation is the extreme. I'm more interested in why you feel that randoming within the norm is a lack of whatever upon the person. If you need any clarification, ask before responing please.
Ia/Kamij

Kamij $.02

I was trying to make the point that people frown on Derek's actions but are perfectly okay with randoming... although neither is against the rules. Neither are necesary (Note suf, I said randoming, not pk in general [once again clarifying this]). And both can 'make the game more interesting'. Randoming cycles around equipment.. as does spying causing mass rips to other groups.

The two scenarios are very similar, but for some reason one is acceptable, and the other isn't. It's called double standard.

Considering the assholes in this mud, I'm actually suprised Espianoge isn't more commonplace in the game... just another tactic (and I don't mean level 1's innsitting).

Holy shit did Rurh just say that randoming was scummy but spying isnt?

Dude you have a totally fucked up perspective.

If you are truely neutral and get pk'd by BSP it isnt that hard to get peaced.

And Ilya, Shadowlords were the ones wanting your decays back but telling us to fuck off when we want ours. I was however expecting at least some sort of fight out of you but in my opinion you should have been attacked earlier.

JoshN

Just because something is the status quo doesn't make it acceptable or right. Its not as if its not possible for a clan to refrain from attacking neutrals untill they have shown that they CLEARLY support a enemy clan by assisting in a pk or by choosing to always zoning with the clan.

I happen to remember maybe 3 wipes ago (on Brafu my 30 pal) I grouped alot with Renshai while they were at war with Shadow and god knows who else. Even tho they all knew I grouped with Renshai they never ONCE attempted to kill me because of it. So you can't tell me that the status quo is the only way clans can operate. Clans simply choose to take the easiest path and that happens to be to kill any neutral who could possibly be a unknown enemy.

EDIT:: Spelling. I really need to remember to proof read =)

Actually, no, I didn't just say that.

Re-read if you didn't get the point I was trying to make (despite blatantly declaring the point first_

You are generally the type of person who gets to avoid most of the flak from clan wars. You seem to be upfront and honest about who you are and don't try to make various unknowns that will later join some warring clan.

More than 9 times out of 10, these so called neutrals or unknowns are members of an enemy clan. I think a working clan system with only clan labeling of some sort (so you know which clan people are in) and enough of an incentive for people to label themselves such, would do a lot to solve incidental clan war problems.

Suf

You are right of course but it still doesn't make it any easier to accept being killed (I will admit it is rare for me) by some small clanned group simply because they wanted something I had and in order to explain why they did it they call me a unknown evil. I just don't like how most clans seem to ignore scum actions by their members simply because of what they bring to the clan in the form of game info and/or a powerful character(s).

I have not been pked (on a char I was not actively rolling atm) in 2 wipes (I missed last wipe tho) so I can't really say that its been a problem for me in awhile. But I just see scum actions by clans all the time and the common reason they always use to explain themselves is to say that they thought the person was a unknown evil. At what point do we say that thats not good enough anymore and that they are simply unhonorable scum.

Man i hate the fact that the clan led by Mavlad at the moment still calls itself BSP. Yes I know all the danes and finns left on their own accord, but BSP/BSR/BSD/Tribe etc were always the dane clan plus extras. It would be almost like Michi + 1 or 2 oldies joining Mavlad's Mercenaries and renaming the clan Shriners.

Just my rant for the day.

Auz

Sure looks like you are saying that randoming is scummy and spying is part of the game.

brafu what sense does it make to wait untill someone attacks you to mark them? let them rank and eq up then jump you is just retarded and prolly the reason your time on the mud isn't going well. the game is about staying alive and beating your enemies(clan wise) and getting blindsided is a sure way of losing....

Dia

You really didn't pick up on the sarcasm didn't you? Or maybe the forced irony?

But all these clans now a days rip one fight and disband. They need to spend time together zoning not only to get to know zones but to get used to working together and realize one defeat isn't the end of the world. How many clans disband just because they lose a few times? Quite a few it seems this wipe. So if these guys stick together long enough so they actually feel some comradery they will put up a better fight next wipe, or this wipe but these random people thrown together with not much battle experience can't expect too much. Hence why I say next wipe is their best bet after taking some beatings this wipe.

Clans disbanded this wipe:

Renshai (not sure if they ever really formed this wipe, Ilya and co lasted until the end of last wipe but fizzled)

Darkmoon (lasted 2 wipes total, lost many fights to garbage, most members went to KOT)

KOT (Never really got going, too much randoming, not enough zoning, disbanded shortly after)

Wild (after wipes of peace and war, wild finally colapsed due to lack of players)

Chaos (on the whim of Outlaws, a war started and a clan ended in just a few short battles)

Shadowlords (Still around, not actively playing - 1 big loss and a few minor losses and they all seem to have given up)

Clans still alive and kicking:

Outlaws (split from BSP, warring with BSP for the last couple months)

BSP (Remainder after split with Outlaws, Warring Outlaws for the last couple months)

Garbage (Started early in the wipe, lost players to inactivity and recruitment to Shadowlords, still alive though)

KoS (Oldest active clan on the mud!)

Myth (2 wipes and counting)

Seems to me that only a clan or two have actually quit after a single fight, most others try for a while before quitting at least.

~Rorc

First off darkmoon only lost some of the dumpier fights to garbage with the dumpier members of the clan fighting. Secondly, and this is homework for everyone. Go buy and read Sun Tzu's "Art of War". Then go and fight BSP some, that book has got to be bob and mavlad's secret i just know it

JoshN

Its sad to say but your attitude is common for the majority of this mud. You simply accept the scummy actions of the clans as the norm and you can't see (or simply don't care) that its bull. Just because it makes good tactical sense to annihilate all possible oposition before it has a chance to ever become a threat doesn't mean the clans HAVE to do it. Sure if they keep playing like they have been then they will probably remain on top for a good long while. But that doesn't mean we have to look at the clans and praise them for how smart they are to have figured out that if they kill the whole game's population then they can retain power without much of a challenge.

Why do you think I find it hard to make any good friends on this hell that we call a game? I refuse to lower myself to the level of scum simply because its the easiest path to victory. I happen to really believe in keeping my self respect and sense of Honor. Just because you don't seem to feel the same doesn't mean you are even remotely right.

Well you have to forgive Josh. He just recently became a big clan man and now he has accepted some of their ideals as his own.

brafu just suffers from the ability to make a difference between life and a game it's a game people play the game to gain power and have fun not to chase butterflies and dance with care-bears grow up noones make you quit i doubt anyones activly hunting you. if you can't stand pk then move to a different mud i seems to me as much as you all hate mavlad your far more communist than him:) you all envison this mud with everyone ranked and or massivly eq and spelled with no fight and all hugs and kisses and brafu if you hate the game sooo much as you say you do then quit noone makes you play draw the lines between life and mud if a game is breaking your life up because you get pked you need to re-evalutate your life.

JoshN

Thats where you and everyone like you is sadly mistaken. Soo many people excuse their poor behavior online by saying its only a game or its not real. You just don't grasp the fact that how you behave online (even MORE so than offline) when there is no accountability says more about your character than anything else ever could. So you can say its "just a game" all you want but its still a reflection on who you are as a person just as how I behave is a reflection on who I am. I simply can't bring myself to act like a jackass online even tho I know I could get away with no real negative affect on my life. You can say I take this too serious but I refuse to delude myself by making a distinction between online and offline in as far as my behavior towards others goes.

You are who you pretend to be..... I hear that somewhere.....

PS. Use a Period now and then PLEASE!!! Your posts can be really annoying to read......

EDIT::

At no point did I say pking itself was a terrible thing that we need to do away with. I simply said that the clan's policy of jumping random people simply because they SUSPECT they could be a unknown enemy is bull. They simply don't care if they happen to kill a neutral along the way so long as they hold onto the power they have. Its like if the USA nuked the entire middle east simply because a few terrorists happen to be hiding in the populace pretending to be a normal citizen. And before anyone flames me saying thats my comparision is dumb..... Its just an analagy meant to show a real world comparision to what the clans have been doing for awhile. I only explained my comparision because some people on this forum will probably feel the need to say something if I didn't.

you just miss your axe, and i still have it!

you forgot BoB

forgot prophecy, imperial(both haley clan) and mysidia

Yea Ilya that was my axe. EQ comes and goes, either Ill get it back sometime or I wont.

In the end it doesnt really matter, and if that axe helps make you feel better about fighting sometime then I guess it was worth the sacrifice. PK is the most fun part of this game so I just hope Im there when you do.

... to you.

Josh I think that you are up to about 2 dozen punches in the face now. You better keep that door locked!

I hope you are there also:)

Of course for me, why the fuck should I care what you think?

No see, outside of your egocentric universe other people exist too... many of whom play the game.

If you want to continue to play the game, I'd suggest caring about the other people on the mud.

You don't have to care what Rurh thinks but if you don't have the rest of the mud's interest in mind then you are an arrogant ass and should be shot. Okay well maybe that is a bit extreme but the point is it's not your game, it's for everyone. Whatever you think makes the game fun is fine, but everyone else has their own version as well. Pk is all fine and dandy, I love it myself, but when it is mindless randoming and smashing those lesser than you it has gone too far. I agree that pk is fun but at the point that it is ruining the game for others it is going too far.

I think Dia meant in it's own opionion, and it doesn't care what you specifically think. On another note, the proof is in the pudding, the majority of long term players here enjoy the pk aspect of the mud the most. Now i'm sure i'll get several oldbies replying "I hate pk". I'm not saying all of them, just most of them. And I bet more oldbies respond that dislike pk then oldbies that do, that just seems to be the nature of this board.
Ia/Kamij

Kamij $.02

Even tho I don't personally pk (only in very rare cases when I want revenge) I doubt I would stay on Arctic if it was removed or really cut back. It adds a certain thrill to the game that you can't get when you know the only danger is from mobs. But pk is only healthy for the mud when its in moderation. As we have all seen it isn't all that fun or good for the mud as a whole when pk gets outa hand.

The problem with Arctic is that too many people see pking as the only way to have fun so they always end up taking it to the extreme and it ruins the game for many other people. Simply a case of jackass's not giving a damn about other people on the game.

[color=blue]And many of them PK. MUDs get extremely boring when your only challenge comes from the limited mobs that you fight.[/color]

Very true..... but what challenge is there when people run around killing people 4 on 1 simply because they are bored? Many times people are not looking for a challenge so much as something to kill time.

What Brafu said.

It's one thing to attack another clan, but jumping a group of neutrals who are just trying to zone is like running into a 5 year olds birthday party and popping all their balloons. It might be fun for you, but i guarantee some of those kids are gonna cry.

a group of neutrals with 2 prismers rocks

Agree

In all my 6 years on this mud I can't recall one instance where any clanned group every attacked me with less than 3 people. The only people on this mud that ever had the guts to jump me with anything less than overwhelming power have been the random pkers. When clans kill neutral players they are not looking for any type of challenge. They are simply bored so they decide to act like scum and pk the weaker people on the mud 3+ on 1 for a cheap thrill. Im sure we will see those type of actions greatly reduced next wipe when Aristox has his new pk system in place. The only reason they do it now is because nothing negative comes from it.

I really do sound as if Im being jumped left and right don't I? Im simply taking it upon myself to defend my fellow neutrals with every ounce of ranting power I can muster.

wow you are stuck on yourself brafu just chill the hell out

It would be helpful if you gave me more info on why you believe Im stuck on myself...... or did you just say that because you had nothing else to say?

no i'm just done listening to you bitch about the man trying to bring you down just let it go. let the thread die!

girls, girls ... take it a private chat ... nobody wants to read your little bickerings

Well, Brafu, since you think a new system will stop this, roll a cleric next wipe and try to do Xak anytime in the first week.

Then we'll see how well a new system helps (since clans do soo many exp zones a hit for exp won't hurt too badly - there are mobs being done worth 2M exp)

Just IMO the new system is just going to hurt non_clanned people who like to pk, because those in clans won't be hurt to badly by it.

~Rorc

Rorc

The system is only meant to make pking have some negative side affects that would punish those who take it to the extreme. No clan member is going to want to be red flagged for doing something as dumb as killing a random neutral when they have enemies out there that would LOVE to use the flag system against them. Also, what does any of this have to do with loading heal next wipe??

JoshN

Im simply going to ignore you from this point on.

Josh I gotta be frank with you here. In the majority of your post I don't have a clue what you are saying. Most of your points are invalid and your grammer is a topic of its own. The little bit of sense I have been able to make out of your rambling has seem to come off as "Hey, I'm in a big clan now, so I'm going to talk in defense of them." Seems to me that your opinion on things has changed drastically in a short amount of time and I gotta say man, I'm a little disappointed, but maybe it's for the best. I've noticed quite a few things about you since you left. Anyways... no one else needs to hear this so I'll stop right there.

Peace out Rabbit!