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ArcticMUD => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dandalf on December 27, 2013, 04:52:11 PM

Title: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Dandalf on December 27, 2013, 04:52:11 PM
529H 96V 42532024X 36.95% 995C Exits:NESWU>

Mala arrives from above.
Connor gives you a solid punch in the face.
Connor slowly fades into existence.

456H 96V 42532024X 36.95% 995C [Me:Good] [Connor:Perfect] Exits:NESWU>
You are sent sprawling as Connor crashes into you.
That Really did HURT!

347H 96V 42532024X 36.95% 995C [Me:Fair] [Connor:Perfect] Exits:NESWU>


I sure would hate to be a mage this wipe!


That's a lot of damage.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Bryton on December 27, 2013, 05:33:18 PM
We basically asked ourself "what would piss Bryton off" and then did that.

This is what hoss said when I complained about it last wipe
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: kmark101 on December 27, 2013, 05:34:14 PM
it's completely out of hand, hope punch gonna get nerfed.
In fact all damage is way too high, should be toned down a lot, especially skill damages.
And legendary should be way harder to obtain...
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Joe on December 27, 2013, 06:05:06 PM
And mages should loose Mirror Image as a spell!
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Dandalf on December 27, 2013, 07:21:58 PM
That's a really did hurt on a 530 hp character. This game has gotten so bad. I loved when massacres were good.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: reed23 on December 27, 2013, 07:22:51 PM
I do agree, but please remember that Connor is a legendary warrior with 16 dam..... It's not some scrub hitting that hard.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: corey on December 27, 2013, 08:39:23 PM
I do agree, but please remember that Connor is a legendary warrior with 16 dam..... It's not some scrub hitting that hard.

Punch/bash aren't affected by damage but shield quality (bash only).

I made mention of it the past couple wipes when Andrew was bashing as well as Gabbo last wipe. Warriors aren't the issue though - the entire game is bapted right now. PvP doesn't make sense period.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Loretta on December 28, 2013, 08:57:41 AM
Stop bapting whine and fight. You can legend basher in 7-8 days if you play alot, in 2 weeks if not. Current game mechanics is pretty well suited for weak side cos you can do insane entry amount of damage using half-naked chars. Wipes before chars like Juan was simply unkillable, now you can just 1-round nobash caster with 4-5 semi-naked characters.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Zozen on December 28, 2013, 11:05:59 AM
As a bystander watching pvp I guess the question is: why is damage so high compared to max hps/defense? Should it be possible for a nobash/best geared char to be 1 rounded by "4-5 semi-naked chars?" Is that the game we want to be playing?

I think I understood why there was a buildup of legendary: to help small groups able to complete end zone content on less numbers due to playerbase size, but I don't think there was much discussion put into that huge instant-damage and how it would correspond to pvp. Should a single target spell be doing 150-200 damage pre-legend (or post legend for that matter?) Should skills that arent reliant on +dam deal 70-80++ damage (non-backstab)?

Would a -20% (insert random number) damage dealt across the board to pvp change things? Remove legendary? I don't really know how to fix it while still allowing smaller groups to be able to complete end-game stuff... I know Aristox and Hoss are talking about changing the dynamics of pvp and allowing for longer fights... is it impossible to "hot fix" stuff now until that is implemented?
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Loretta on December 28, 2013, 11:07:57 AM
As for me i dont want to see unkillable characters like Tinotaur and Juan in game - being able to focus damage anyone in game with 4-5 semi-loaded is nice for mud. It gives chance for weaks to equal chances.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Hoss on December 28, 2013, 11:22:57 AM
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is it impossible to "hot fix" stuff now until that is implemented?

We had discussed this and decided that the effort required to 'hot fix' these issues would not be a proper investment of resources.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: breiner on December 28, 2013, 11:48:23 AM
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Ezio on December 28, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
Agree^
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Hoodoo on December 28, 2013, 02:19:03 PM
Rather than the straight balance issue of damage, I would say the primary issue with PK is the mentality of the people doing the pk.   Here's what I mean.

Last night, I was grouped with someone who said "Your clan let WILDS in last wipe! I had to pk all your clan because you let 2 wilds in!" 

 No, you didn't have to pk the entire clan. You chose to, because you have a bapted view of this game.  It is a GAME.   People come here to enjoy playing it.  If you permanently hunt a *player*, no matter what level his character, what his behavior, or who he associates with in game... you are an objectively awful person.  No real argument there.  If you want to pk, pk with at least the tiniest bit of class.  Let people re-equip. Let people have fun.  This isn't a bapting war, people, it's a goddamned game. 

Lottie, Tim, a few others... I'm talking to you, here. You make this a worse place to enjoy my free time.

Jason
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Bryton on December 28, 2013, 02:26:24 PM
All the whinning that Jason and gramm do on these forums makes me want to go out of my way to pk them more often.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Loretta on December 28, 2013, 02:28:49 PM
I have to pk your whole clan for you let 2 wilds in becouse i have no bapting idea who is wild and who is not. Wilds refuse to pay me standart goblin peace price - so i have to fight em till they do so. Its only way goblins are follow.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: xellos on December 28, 2013, 03:07:59 PM
What you fail to realize is I'm a pretty reasonable guy.
I have no love for forum hero's or insane amounts of shit talkers.
Going down the list, checking it twice.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Jorquin on December 28, 2013, 04:33:19 PM
historically there's always been 1-2 things that are OP at any given time, and probably always will be
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Joe on December 29, 2013, 11:56:42 AM
I'm confused. 4-5 level 30's (even semi-naked) are supposed to be pretty heroic figures. Sure they aren't "legends" but legends are made by doing kick ass things when you aren't the legendary guy. Take Bruce Lee. He's legendary. I'm pretty sure 4-5 guys who were top tier kung fu artists could have kicked his ass up and down the room if they were coordinated. The guy who finishes a guy like Bruce Lee off might become somewhat legendary himself.

There's a difference between trash and reasonable expectations of combat.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Zozen on December 29, 2013, 04:47:00 PM
Wipes before chars like Juan was simply unkillable, now you can just 1-round nobash caster with 4-5 semi-naked characters.

I understand being able to kill a nobash caster with 4-5 people, but 1 round...? That is what bothers me about current damage outputs.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Loretta on December 29, 2013, 11:36:52 PM
Wipes before chars like Juan was simply unkillable, now you can just 1-round nobash caster with 4-5 semi-naked characters.

I understand being able to kill a nobash caster with 4-5 people, but 1 round...? That is what bothers me about current damage outputs.

4-5(Druids+mt scout+red robes) in any combination do huge burst damage and dont need any gear for it above average.
Title: Re: Punch/Bash damage
Post by: Aristox on December 30, 2013, 07:07:18 AM
This is all being looked at, but do not expect anything until next wipe.

Locking this thread.