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Title: Races
Post by: Jorquin on August 13, 2016, 07:12:13 AM
I've re-balanced races. As always, this is not on game port yet.

For the moment, there is still no need to roll as each stat only varies by 1 on the "roll". Your class choice alters your stats quite a lot though. Our players are on average time poor, so this is more quality of life for the greater public. If not having to roll is undesirable, let me know - but I don't think too many people want to hit centipedes for hours?

That said, the stats of races vary much more. There are definitive differences, with each having strengths and weaknesses. It's now a choice that will affect your character to some extent. Exotic races are still in, however overall will not be as overpowered. They're still better than classic races, but not so much better that you'll want to dump your first character ASAP to upgrade. Below are listed general standpoints of where races fall, their align choices and class options.

Humans: Flat average overall. Humans have however developed an innate ability to bounce back from physical injury or exertion, regenerating noticeably faster than other races.
Classes: All
Aligns: All

Half-elf: Half-elves are fairly average similar to their human parents, however their elven heritage has given them slightly better dexterity and infravision. This comes at the cost of a diluted regeneration bonus, as they are only half human.
Classes: All
Aligns: All

Silvanesti elves: The Silvanesti are highly intelligent and relatively nimble, though are less physically robust than humans. They are immune to the effect of sleep spells, have infravision and through ages of studying the world have become more adept at learning than other races.
Classes: Cleric, Druid, Warrior, Thief, Mage, Scout
Align: All

Kagonesti elves: The Kagonesti are fairly strong, as tough as a human and extremely nimble - even more so than their other elven cousins. What they gain in physical prowess they lose in intellect and wisdom however. They are naturally suited to travelling the wilderness, generally recovering quicker from long distance travel.
Classes: Warrior, Thief, Barbarian, Scout, Shaman
Align: All

Qualinesti elves: The Qualinesti are wise folk and relatively nimble, yet like the Silvanesti are less physically robust than humans. Their focus on regenerative magics have made them better than average healers, and their elvish blood gives them infravision.
Classes: Cleric, Druid, Warrior, Mage, Scout
Align: All

Hylar: Hylar dwarves are slightly stronger than humans and much, much tougher. They are not known for their agility or quick minds, though do have infravision. Hylar dwarves are also less likely to be affected by debilitating magical affects.
Classes: Cleric, Warrior, Paladin, Thief, Barbarian
Align: NC, NL, NG, GN, GL, GC

Hill dwarf: Hill dwarves are not as strong or tough as their Hylar brethren, though still much tougher than elves or humans. They are known for being a very wise race and for maintaining firm concentration on the tasks at hand. They also have infravision.
Classes: Cleric, Druid, Warrior, Thief, Barbarian, Shaman
Align: All

Theiwar dwarves: Theiwar are not tough, nor do they possess great strength. Instead, they are extremely intelligent and extremely agile, relying on wits and speed to get the job done. They also display wisdom beyond that of a human, though this is not their forte by any means. Theiwar minds are exceptionally quick with the arcane arts, and their mental acuity is well known. They also have infravision.
Classes: Cleric, Druid, Warrior, Thief, Mage
Align: NC, NL, NE, EC, EN, EL

Kender: Kender are weak, fragile and not particularly smart. They do however possess legendary agility and nimbleness which makes them the best at what they do. Kender are also as charismatic and wise as a human would be. They are also completely fearless and more skilled at dodging attacks than other races - even beyond what their natural dexterity would suggest.
Classes: Warrior, Druid, Thief, Barbarian, Scout, Shaman
Align: NC, NL, NG, GN, GL, GC

Gnome: Gnomes are extremely weak and physically fragile. Their tiny stature makes them terrible fighters, but what they lack in brawn they make up for in brains. Gnomes have almost superhuman levels of intelligence and an affinity for magic, making their spells more likely to take affect on targets. They are also somewhat nimble, and possess infravision.
Classes: Cleric, Warrior, Thief, Mage
Align: All

Goblin: Goblins are pretty agile and tough, while still as strong as a human. Unfortunately they're not very bright, nor are they wise. Their fearsome appearance and ugly-ness makes them able to intimidate and influence others, making them (by the wierdo logic of our stat system) quite charismatic. They have slightly better than average regeneration, infravision and an innate ability to spot toxins and poisons from a mile away.
Classes: Warrior, Thief, Barbarian, Scout, Dark Knight, Shaman
Alignment: NC, NL, NE, EN, EL, EC

Minotaur: Minotaurs have come back from the exotic lands, appearing in greater numbers in Krynn. These beasts are really freakishly strong, able to snap necks like twigs. They are slightly tougher than a human, but not as tough as a dwarf. Their large size makes them awkward and cumbersome, they are also dumb. On top of this, their focus on physical prowess has left them slightly more likely to be affected by debilitating magic. That's what you get for pumping iron all day, I guess.
Classes: Cleric, Warrior, Dark Knight, Barbarian, Scout, Shaman, Mage
Alignment: All


Exotic races:

Irda: The Irda are as wise as the Qualinesti, yet as nimble as a goblin. They are also slightly tougher and more charismatic than might be expected. Their physical strength and intelligence their downfalls, yet both of these attributes are equivalent to that of a human. Of all the exotic races they have the most balanced spread of strengths and weaknesses. Their extensive experience with magic throughout the decades has made them impervious to charming effects.
Classes: Cleric, Druid, Warrior, Thief, Scout, Mage, Shaman
Alignment: NL, NG, GN, GC, GL

Gully dwarf: Gully dwarves are really, really stupid. Dumb as a post. Their constitution, however, is legendary. They are also very nimble and slightly stronger than a human. Gully dwarves generally live in garbage heaps, so they have become genetically immune to disease. They also have a natural resistance to breath attacks and infravision.
Classes: Cleric, Druid, Warrior, Thief, Barbarian, Scout, Shaman
Alignment: NC, NL

Half-ogre: Half-ogres are really strong, yet not quite as strong as minotaurs. They are noticeable tougher though and demonstrate higher levels of charisma, wisdom and intelligence. On top of this they know how to pack a punch, dealing ever so slightly more damage in combat than other races.
Classes: Cleric, Warrior, Dark Knight, Barbarian, Shaman
Alignment: NC, NL, NE, EN, EL, EC

Dargonesti: The Dargonesti are very strong and extremely agile, both physically and mentally. They are quick with wit and with blade. They are not particularly wise or charismatic, but are about as tough as a human. They do have infravision however, and are able to move through water as if it were air. Additionally, Dargonesti are slightly better at dodging incoming attacks than other races - though not as good as Kender.
Classes: Cleric, Druid, Warrior, Paladin, Thief, Barbarian, Scout, Mage, Shaman
Alignment: All



Feel free to post feedback or suggestions - happy to hear them.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Jorquin on August 13, 2016, 07:41:07 AM
Edit - Qualinesti can now be scouts. Not sure why I left them restricted from being our current "ranger equivalent".
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Gramm on August 13, 2016, 09:47:55 AM
I am actually excited to log into this site again, these awesome changes, and current activity with the staff are great, keep up the awesome work, and thank you so much for giving a damn guys.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: lurker on August 13, 2016, 02:15:28 PM
Petition to restore Minotaur druids and mages.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Loretta on August 13, 2016, 02:20:14 PM
Can we have high str casters back? 16 str mages and druid are bapting annoing.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Chisul on August 13, 2016, 09:31:15 PM
Try a 16 str paladin. *See all paladins rolled this wipe.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Jorquin on August 14, 2016, 12:29:01 AM
Title: Re: Races
Post by: blackmagus on August 14, 2016, 02:02:50 AM
It'd be really nice to know the stat ranges for classes, would save a bunch of work in compiling the results amongst the clan.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: breiner on August 14, 2016, 03:57:11 AM
Next you want lores of all items so you don't have to lore them yourself? :P
Considering it only takes a few minutes to level a character to 3 it's not big of a hassle to spend half an hour to go through the different races for the class you want to play.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: breiner on August 14, 2016, 04:18:22 AM
Hmm 4 races for paladin, 5 for dark knight. Might I suggest adding one more of the elven races for balancing?

Considering that Paladine created the elves and is also the chief deity of both the elves under the aspect E'li and paladins themselves it's not that far a leap from canon Dragonlance lore :P
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Malaki on August 14, 2016, 01:39:38 PM
Like the updates / reversions.

Just one thing, loved playing kagonesti over the years cause they have infra.  Seems they're the 1 of 3 left without it.  Though it was nice to pick them for that plus other attributes they had.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Gramm on August 14, 2016, 02:06:57 PM
all elves and dwarves should be infra
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Jorquin on August 14, 2016, 04:49:33 PM
They are, even if i didnt list it
Title: Re: Races
Post by: lurker on August 14, 2016, 05:58:15 PM
Minor nitpick.

It's always annoyed me that Silvanesti can't be evil, given that a MAJOR character in the books is a silvanesti black robe.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Jorquin on August 14, 2016, 07:35:34 PM
I'd encourage you to work on your reading skills there buddy.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: lurker on August 14, 2016, 07:58:15 PM
http://dragonlancenexus.com/lexicon/index.php?title=Dalamar_the_Dark

Dark elf is a title, his race is silvanesti
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Willoe on August 14, 2016, 08:49:38 PM
Silvanesti elves: The Silvanesti are highly intelligent and relatively nimble, though are less physically robust than humans. They are immune to the effect of sleep spells, have infravision and through ages of studying the world have become more adept at learning than other races.
Classes: Cleric, Druid, Warrior, Thief, Mage, Scout
Align: All

Those reading skills...
Title: Re: Races
Post by: lurker on August 15, 2016, 05:02:17 AM
Hmm 4 races for paladin, 5 for dark knight. Might I suggest adding one more of the elven races for balancing?


Minotaurs.  It's even a thing in Dragonlance.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: lurker on August 15, 2016, 05:07:09 AM
Silvanesti elves: The Silvanesti are highly intelligent and relatively nimble, though are less physically robust than humans. They are immune to the effect of sleep spells, have infravision and through ages of studying the world have become more adept at learning than other races.
Classes: Cleric, Druid, Warrior, Thief, Mage, Scout
Align: All

Those reading skills...

It's always annoyed me that Silvanesti can't be evil,

Notice how I was speaking in the past tense? Those reading skills...

I just wanted a clear answer, especially given "They are, even if i didnt list it" - I wanted to make sure silv alignment restrictions were actually gone, not just something that wasn't listed. Since this is on the secret testing post and we can't actually log in and see the changes, can't really know for sure what has changed.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Willoe on August 15, 2016, 11:26:45 AM
Notice the align under silvanesti reads all... Thus no restrictions.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: lurker on August 15, 2016, 11:37:53 AM
Notice the align under silvanesti reads all... Thus no restrictions.

Yes, I get it. I was expressing my annoyance at the restrictions that existed in the past, and I was hoping for some confirmation given the confusion regarding infravision and the fact that I can't log into the test port and see things for myself.

Nevermind.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Gramm on August 15, 2016, 02:41:44 PM
Time to add the race of Sivaks into the fold.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Alecto on August 15, 2016, 07:41:05 PM
We need fairies as a starting race!  Umarth would finally be able to play again!
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Gahris on August 23, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
I thought charisma was removed. Why are half ogres getting a bonus?
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Loretta on August 24, 2016, 08:42:43 AM
Mino mages are back, thanks to gods! Hope they could be atleast 20+ str, not sucky 18 max.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Gahris on August 25, 2016, 07:40:37 AM

For the moment, there is still no need to roll as each stat only varies by 1 on the "roll". Your class choice alters your stats quite a lot though.

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I would like to suggest, if you didn't do it already, that if the stats only vary by 1 on the roll that there should be no variance on the stat you pick as primary. If  picking primary stat is still a thing.

Title: Re: Races
Post by: Jorquin on August 25, 2016, 10:37:52 AM
Primary stat gives a flat +1.

EG. A "Troll" race, Warrior guild character might normally roll 15/16 Dex, with max stat Dex they'd roll 16/17.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Gahris on August 25, 2016, 11:30:36 AM
Primary stat gives a flat +1.

EG. A "Troll" race, Warrior guild character might normally roll 15/16 Dex, with max stat Dex they'd roll 16/17.

This is more buff than what I suggested.  I like this functionality as well.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: relethane on September 11, 2016, 12:20:05 PM
Can't seem to make a mino scout.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Kam on September 12, 2016, 12:46:44 PM
Minotaurs, being stupid, took longer to teach the basics of scouting.
They have finally completed their training and are available as a playable race for scouts now.
Title: Re: Races
Post by: Quid on June 26, 2017, 07:43:49 AM
Dargo Dark Knights, I know you want to, :D.