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Title: Where we're at
Post by: Jorquin on August 11, 2016, 01:10:13 PM
I wanted to throw this out as a quick update on what's been going on. I'm aware there's been a view of "so much talk, but where's the action", so this is realistically to put those skeptical minds at ease. Behind the scenes we've set up an inaccessible server where we're affecting change. This way, game port stays up so you can slay dragons while we do things.

We're committed to transparency moving forward, so consider this part of that initiative. I intend to set up an "update notes" type post where I will consistently send out messaging around what's being done. This will likely include slightly more specifics than you're used to since the "MORTALS MUST NOT KNOW" mentality is a little out-dated. Reality check: mortals usually know.

Weapon changes were rolled back en-mass on the "change-port". I've taken an extra day off this weekend to pump out some basic changes. This weekend's focus will be +damage items, spell loads, rent-able cities, item sets, "classic items", and some minor weapon re-adjustments (weapon weights will be used to balance some things which need love or nerf). If I get through all that, we'll see what I feel like doing.

Stay posted, more details will ensue.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Super Tacoman on August 11, 2016, 02:31:20 PM
sounds very good.  i think if you need help with something you could get some volunteers
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Jorquin on August 11, 2016, 02:46:01 PM
If anyone has time, throw cities that were previously rent-able in here please.

Awful ones will still miss out, but you'll save me some effort which is appreciated.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Oligo on August 11, 2016, 02:57:15 PM
If anyone has time, throw cities that were previously rent-able in here please.

Port-of-call.

No sarcasm, sorely missed. That was my main rent city.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Super Tacoman on August 11, 2016, 04:15:45 PM
some previously rentable cities - haven, neraka, gulfport, newport, vingaard
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: eddiex on August 11, 2016, 04:32:12 PM
Fringe inns: Lantern, Flotsam, Deep Mine, Garret, Caergoth
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Dyl on August 11, 2016, 05:08:52 PM
hylo
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: reed23 on August 11, 2016, 05:21:08 PM
1. Haven
2. Deep Mines
3. Lytburg - A zone near and dear to my heart, there is an inn there that has never been rentable!

Thanks for the update.  Question - will the new weapon stats / gear changes go into play before the wipe, or will it all happen during the down time of the wipe?
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Kadaj on August 11, 2016, 05:24:45 PM
Fyzian, never forget.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Jorquin on August 11, 2016, 05:28:17 PM
Reed - During downtime.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: lurker on August 11, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
hylo

Yeah, if you are a madman.

Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Gnua on August 11, 2016, 08:21:19 PM
some previously rentable cities - haven, neraka, gulfport, newport, vingaard

there already is an inn in neraka
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: btown on August 11, 2016, 09:50:55 PM
I beg you please put inn back in aghar.  i am the mayor there
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Gnua on August 11, 2016, 10:05:39 PM
since the "MORTALS MUST NOT KNOW" mentality is a little out-dated. Reality check: mortals usually know.

any chance of finding out a character's learn rate before level 12-13?
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Jorquin on August 12, 2016, 03:25:25 AM
Not going to give out those sort of specifics, buddy.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Gramm on August 12, 2016, 05:35:28 AM
delphon!!
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Loretta on August 12, 2016, 10:35:13 AM
Aghars!
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: btown on August 12, 2016, 02:22:15 PM
Loretta you stay out of my aghar mmk,  i pk chu!
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Jorquin on August 12, 2016, 08:31:32 PM
Change update time! None of these changes are on game port currently, this is just to keep people in the loop. Feel free to throw out feedback.

- Countless items which were once damage have been reverted to their former glory.

- Various items were re-balanced. Some got nerfs, others buffs. Some limits have changed. I'm not going to get into the nitty gritty.

- % damage reduction on items has been almost entirely removed. When someone gathered several items with this stat they became unkillable. Three items that had % damage reduction affects were reverted to limit_damage or minor_limit_damage flag respectively as per their previous state. A couple more kept their % reductions. I'll leave it to you to work out which they are.

- Ambeoutin is now awesome, although it looks worse on paper.

- Due to popular demand the shield of Huma is now autohaste again.

- The 2 item set for evil align characters which gave extra_attack now provides autohaste instead.

- Neutral characters get no haste because reasons.

- Shamans can now play with the orbs, as long as they're gentle.

- Aspre Tohz has moved into the 21st century and is no longer force load. His items have had their load rates adjusted accordingly (lowered dramatically).

- Ebony has also moved into the 21st century.

NOTE: If you can think of any other easy-ish mobiles that load top tier equipment send me a message. The intent here is that rent_decaying top level equipment which loads on easy mobiles should have a low load rate, and load on percentage. This is to help re-circulate equipment and generally stop people hoarding the  shinies available to small fries.

- A new spellbook for mages has been added to 20 ish mobiles around the world. This book contains spells from all mage book tiers starting from the lower frosted glass tier, ranging all the way up to big area spells. The chances are spread so that higher level spells are very rare, but I would expect someone to hit the jackpot occasionally. I'm not going to say which mobs or where to look, but will say they vary in strength quite a lot. They should be accessible to all levels of players. The load rate is very low, but as they're not in obscure locations you'll likely stumble across them as you play. They're also death load to prevent larger playing groups muscling out the small fries.

- Items from several high end mobs have been re-adjusted. Many were simply too good, even for their load location. Don't worry, they're all still beastly - just not disgustingly overpowered.

- Sunray and lightning storm will once again load on mobiles accessible to normal people

- One quest for a particular spear which was ridiculously obscure has been reworked.

- A quest in Castle uth Wistan that had utterly ridiculous rewards for its difficulty has been smacked with the nerf bat.


Item set and race changes to come. We're also talking about putting up a poll to get an idea for when people would like a pwipe. Tentatively we've been discussing 16 September, though sooner or later isn't out of the question.

Feel free to toss feedback my way.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Super Tacoman on August 12, 2016, 09:16:05 PM

NOTE: If you can think of any other easy-ish mobiles that load top tier equipment send me a message. The intent here is that rent_decaying top level equipment which loads on easy mobiles should have a low load rate, and load on percentage. This is to help re-circulate equipment and generally stop people hoarding the  shinies available to small fries.

- A new spellbook for mages has been added to 20 ish mobiles around the world. This book contains spells from all mage book tiers starting from the lower frosted glass tier, ranging all the way up to big area spells. The chances are spread so that higher level spells are very rare, but I would expect someone to hit the jackpot occasionally. I'm not going to say which mobs or where to look, but will say they vary in strength quite a lot. They should be accessible to all levels of players. The load rate is very low, but as they're not in obscure locations you'll likely stumble across them as you play. They're also death load to prevent larger playing groups muscling out the small fries.

- Sunray and lightning storm will once again load on mobiles accessible to normal people

Item set and race changes to come. We're also talking about putting up a poll to get an idea for when people would like a pwipe. Tentatively we've been discussing 16 September, though sooner or later isn't out of the question.

Feel free to toss feedback my way.

i love you.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: kmark101 on August 12, 2016, 09:16:16 PM
Wonderful!

I think the following stuffs should be nerfed for balanced (10 person group) play:

- Volley should be further nerfed, even legendary volley should hit for very hard/extremely hard
- Mtn scout damage multipliers should be nerfed hard. Also Burst must be nerfed for fewer attacks. To compensate, these skills should have other side effects.
- Animate dead (even at legend) charmies should hit very hard max and not carry an offhand
- Spirits should hit very hard max and not carry offhand
- Primal fury should be nerfed to provide way less damage boost.
- Punch damage must be nerfed (maybe it should not give damage at all but have the daze chance only)

Think this is the bare minimum, these op abilities ruin wipe after wipe because ppl steamroll content with them.

About weapons, I like the high str requirement on the most powerful weapons. If you fixed Ambeoutins pls also fix the Emperor's weapons and gear.

Also can ac and armor apply have larger effect somehow in melee? I would love to see if tanks that have full plate armor have some kind of tanking advantage (and maybe -damage at the same time?). Maybe certain amount of apply should provide minor_limit_dam?

Keep up the good work!




Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: eddiex on August 12, 2016, 09:16:52 PM
Wow. Exciting changes. Thanks for the hard work!
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Kir on August 12, 2016, 10:47:01 PM
Wonderful!

I think the following stuffs should be nerfed for balanced (10 person group) play:

- Volley should be further nerfed, even legendary volley should hit for very hard/extremely hard
- Mtn scout damage multipliers should be nerfed hard. Also Burst must be nerfed for fewer attacks. To compensate, these skills should have other side effects.
- Animate dead (even at legend) charmies should hit very hard max and not carry an offhand
- Spirits should hit very hard max and not carry offhand
- Primal fury should be nerfed to provide way less damage boost.
- Punch damage must be nerfed (maybe it should not give damage at all but have the daze chance only)

Think this is the bare minimum, these op abilities ruin wipe after wipe because ppl steamroll content with them.

About weapons, I like the high str requirement on the most powerful weapons. If you fixed Ambeoutins pls also fix the Emperor's weapons and gear.

Also can ac and armor apply have larger effect somehow in melee? I would love to see if tanks that have full plate armor have some kind of tanking advantage (and maybe -damage at the same time?). Maybe certain amount of apply should provide minor_limit_dam?

Keep up the good work!

Lol couldnt disagree more with this entire post except the part about full plate. On another note, thanks for the hard work Jorquin!!
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Jorake on August 12, 2016, 10:56:10 PM
Wonderful!

I think the following stuffs should be nerfed for balanced (10 person group) play:

- Volley should be further nerfed, even legendary volley should hit for very hard/extremely hard
- Mtn scout damage multipliers should be nerfed hard. Also Burst must be nerfed for fewer attacks. To compensate, these skills should have other side effects.
- Animate dead (even at legend) charmies should hit very hard max and not carry an offhand
- Spirits should hit very hard max and not carry offhand
- Primal fury should be nerfed to provide way less damage boost.
- Punch damage must be nerfed (maybe it should not give damage at all but have the daze chance only)

Think this is the bare minimum, these op abilities ruin wipe after wipe because ppl steamroll content with them.

About weapons, I like the high str requirement on the most powerful weapons. If you fixed Ambeoutins pls also fix the Emperor's weapons and gear.

Also can ac and armor apply have larger effect somehow in melee? I would love to see if tanks that have full plate armor have some kind of tanking advantage (and maybe -damage at the same time?). Maybe certain amount of apply should provide minor_limit_dam?

Keep up the good work!

I think volley does need a nerf. But veryhard/extremes? That's a bit much. If anything nerf legend volley so it doesnt last forever. I wouldnt touch the damage at all though. Do you want to be some other damager and hit very hards/extremes? Warriors/thieves can both get multiple attacks. Should they also be very hards/extremes? I would lower the amount of things it can hit to... 4 max(It is a volley after all)

Burst is also fine. Its a bapting burst! Mtn damage? Again, it should do mega damage but have a longer cooldown, shorter uptime.

Animates need to hit harder than very hard as well. Why dont you just ask them to keep all weapons at 2d6? Jesus. Clerics are already boring as shit. So instead of being able to have 3(maybe 4?) animates, keep it at the same damage, but limit it to TWO max. And make the charmies poof in 15-20mins max

As far as I know, spirits havent been able to hold an off hand for a while. Also. They should hit harder than(theres that bapting very hard shit again)very hard. Should they annihilate? If i control the spirit of aspre tohz, shouldn't he at least massacre? I think a good fix for this is leave spirit base damages alone(whatever they were a couple wipes ago) and tweak amplify spirits spell. Lower its damage by 15% and it would be good to go.

Primal fury should stay 100% the same. There is nothing wrong with this spell. It doesn't last that long. Druids already got healing cloud nerfed(which is justified) We just had a bunch of people leave because of changes. And you are trying to bapting baby proof the mud or something. How about you personally are only allowed to use wooden swords from tarsis tree house. And you can very hard all day if you want.

I actually agree with the last one. Punch damage does need nerfed! Keep daze. Thats kinda cool.

Lower pvp damage by 25-30%

Drink a bapting beer and lets wipe this place!
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Gramm on August 13, 2016, 01:14:14 AM
Thank you. Really looking more and more forward to these changes and the coming wipe.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: blackmagus on August 13, 2016, 02:44:45 AM
- A new spellbook for mages has been added to 20 ish mobiles around the world. This book contains spells from all mage book tiers starting from the lower frosted glass tier, ranging all the way up to big area spells. The chances are spread so that higher level spells are very rare, but I would expect someone to hit the jackpot occasionally. I'm not going to say which mobs or where to look, but will say they vary in strength quite a lot. They should be accessible to all levels of players. The load rate is very low, but as they're not in obscure locations you'll likely stumble across them as you play. They're also death load to prevent larger playing groups muscling out the small fries.

Best change in a long time.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: reed23 on August 13, 2016, 03:58:22 AM
Great work Jorquin and other immortals.  My applause for you guys listening to the players desires and concerns.

I completely disagree with Kmark's post.  We just went through the nerfing game and most players hated it to say the least.  People who think the game is too easy are completely wrong.  Core who has all the gear and the most powerful characters did the end game fights recently, and it wasn't a cake walk from what I was told. 

From a PK perspective, the longest PK battles I've been involved with in years were when druid healing cloud hit 2x.  Our 10 probably had much better equipment, but Teric's healing cloud kept his clan alive for 10-20 rounds during multiple fights.  People who say healing cloud was super OP may be right, but if you consider it OP, maybe you haven't seen the recent healing capabilities of Shamans.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: kmark101 on August 13, 2016, 09:24:22 AM
I think you guys fail to see the point. Every wipe someone gets volley, zones are steamrolled. Every time someone gets animate, suddenly +6 massacres (that supposed to be at least 3 players!) added to the group (then you whine about group limit and how the "content should be adjusted"). Every time legendary mtn scouts popping boss fights are trivialized. This leads to constantly maxxed gear and boredom. I'm sure every guild had the bot druid that's only purpose is to spam primal fury whenever it's possible... how is this fun or good for the game?

Don't get me wrong, I also hated the weapons etc.. nerf and very happy that they are reverted, but there are certain aspects that must be nerfed/balanced to better game experience. The pre-nerfs game was extremely stupid and boring in another way.

Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Alecto on August 13, 2016, 01:40:17 PM
Pretty much every legend class has a game-changing skill or ability.  That is why it is worth it to grind out for legend.  If you nerf two or three you have to nerf them all for balance and eventually legend stops being the shiny object that is the immediate goal on wipe day for most people.

Legend bash and assault are huge, legend assail is huge, Freedom is huge, legend fade and dodge are huge.  The people that get to legend first have a distinct advantage, but that's how it should be: Arctic is a meritocracy, the people who put in the most time and effort get the shiniest stuff.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Pyder on August 13, 2016, 05:25:47 PM

Item set and race changes to come. We're also talking about putting up a poll to get an idea for when people would like a pwipe. Tentatively we've been discussing 16 September, though sooner or later isn't out of the question.

Feel free to toss feedback my way.

Some feedback then... Wipe this thing right now so we can get back to having fun :D
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Rinad on August 13, 2016, 08:39:47 PM
I think we should actually have pre-designated wipe dates every year or maybe less.  This way people can plan around family, work, and other life obligations.   A lot of people want to wipe now.  It's barely been a full year.  So I'm thinking once a year around  Sept/Oct have a set wipe date, that way any major changes can be pushed through and we can all take time off from work or make plans.   What do others think?

Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Rednax on August 13, 2016, 09:53:34 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to a pre-set date. Something like "first weekend of X month" seems like a good idea.

As far as wiping now is concerned, I think most people would be fine with a wipe as soon as possible as long as the changes get rolled out.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Kronos on August 14, 2016, 12:10:15 AM
I seriously vote for doing it ASAP. Sept 2nd. Any way could be ready by then?

-JTF
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: breiner on August 14, 2016, 07:55:08 AM
Frequently wipes are done when imms have time for it and when certain projects are completed. Having a deadline when you do volunteer work might not be that desirable.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Jorquin on August 14, 2016, 05:22:20 PM
Many, many sets are being re-added. We'll throw a list out when they're done. Ranks are getting some love too, mainly aimed at reducing coin costs for quite a few. Here's a list of other things that have happened, but keep in mind I'm not listing items being changed back to what they historically were.


That's all for now! Feedback welcome as always.


Edit: Oh I forgot, a certain lich now loads green things at a low-ish rate on death.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Jorake on August 14, 2016, 07:44:03 PM
Awesome list.

Will you be doing anything with some mid tier zones? Like Qualinesti, DKO? Just some new item loads or tweaks.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: mrmavisb on August 14, 2016, 10:52:02 PM
Finally lich is useful again, 100x with no load led to 8 months of time off. Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Tajs on August 15, 2016, 07:44:47 AM
Oh yeah, and PLEASE fix the quest system! I miss the paladin, dark knight, alchemy quest ..and add some more if you can find the time :)
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: reed23 on August 15, 2016, 04:42:00 PM
Changes look amazing, great work in a short amount of time!

Can we get an update on wipe date?  I think there was some talk about a poll or something of some potential dates?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Jorquin on August 16, 2016, 12:32:39 AM
We're holding off announcing a wipe date until we can get heal altered back to previous state.

Once that's done, we'll be announcing. I'd like to set mid September (Friday, 16 September) at some evening time US... but we'll see how we go. When we're ready to announce you guys will be the first to know.

Sets - big shoutout to Flook for this one, it was all him...

Other changes:

Feedback good as always.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Oligo on August 16, 2016, 12:37:48 AM
  • You can now rent in almost every city previous, even some of the wierdo ones (I'm lookin at you, Vry Kith)

Any comment on Lytburg?

Also any timing on a possible chaos day, perhaps a day when bots can come out of the closet.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Rednax on August 16, 2016, 12:42:19 AM
Is Ergothian set still a thing?

I think it would also be nice to have another thread where all of the new set pieces/bonuses can be seen.

Other minor nitpick: Are there still sets that exist/you are planning to add beyond the ones you've listed? I've never seen any mention of Humas ever being a set (but it was!)
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Gramm on August 16, 2016, 12:53:05 AM
Boiiiioiioiioidioiioioong!! Schwing! Party on Jorquin!
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Chisul on August 16, 2016, 01:39:36 AM
How about that grey lizard set? You know you love it!

Also, you guys are the best...at ruining my relationships!!! I'm mudding too much!

Kidding aside thanks for all the hard work.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Jorquin on August 16, 2016, 02:36:03 AM
When you are making suggestions keep in mind there is a strain on staffing resources. Time spent making a grey lizard set is time not spent affecting other change. How many people care about some rando level 20 set drom a lizard? Or are we better off investing that time in other change?

No, Lytburg is not rentable for a couple of reasons which i will not list.
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Alecto on August 16, 2016, 02:38:20 AM
I am assuming the biggest reason is that its just plain fun to keep Reed from permanently moving to Lytburg!
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Zalm on August 16, 2016, 04:10:08 AM
Old Inns:

Haven ,Newport, Garrett, Mt Nevermind, Lanterm, Delphon , Flotsam, Cloud Kingdom, Hopeful, Thieves Cove, Deep Mines, Lemish, Caergoth, Vingaard, Kenderville, Port O Call, Hylo, Gulfport,( Irda)?
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Gnua on August 16, 2016, 03:29:47 PM
  • Desert rat set back in

dammit jim, i'll be a witchdoctor and a desert rat
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: reed23 on August 17, 2016, 07:40:35 PM
Sorry if I missed this, but was there any resolution on group sizes?  Any chance it goes back to 10?
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: oom on August 17, 2016, 11:44:14 PM
I just want to say thanks.

Since the announcement of changes coming I haven't really played because I just wanted to see what happened.

After reading all the stuff on the forums I am totally psyched to play again.

So thankful people still care enough about this game to do something awesome.

Thanks!

tim
Title: Re: Where we're at
Post by: Raster on August 18, 2016, 06:42:28 PM
The following is copy/paste from a help area in some 'old' log (2014) I have. That should be nearly all of the rent places.

+Caergoth              (all)
+Deep Mine             (all)
+Delphon               (all)
+Flotsam               (low-mid)
+Fyzian Village        (mid)
+Garret                (mid-high)
+Haven                 (all)
+Hopeful               (low-mid)
+Kalaman               (all)
+Kendermore            (low-mid)
+Lemish and Garnet     (high)
+Mount Nevermind       (low-mid)
+Neraka                (all)
+Newport               (all)
+Northern Ergoth       (mid)
+Palanthas             (all)
+Port Balifor          (all)
+Port o'Call           (all)
+Solace                (all)
+Southern Kharolis     (mid-high)
+Taeldeth              (mid-high)
+Tarsis                (all)
+Tarsis Wastelands     (mid)
+Thorbardin            (mid-high)
+Vingaard              (all)
+Zeeriak               (low)